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Sorebutt
December 31st, 2015, 05:40 PM
Hi can someone help me get a fire barrel platform for a wooden trestle. TS2012 Thanks:)

JCitron
December 31st, 2015, 07:04 PM
Take a look at this here:

Plate Girder Bridge Platform <Kuid2:78925:1102>

It's built-in according to my install in T:ANE, and probably is in TS12 too. The asset is found under track objects where signals, bumpers, and speed signs are.

John

MeowRailroad
December 31st, 2015, 08:34 PM
So that's what those are for! I have always wondered what those barrels on trestles do. They are for fighting fires, right?

Sorebutt
December 31st, 2015, 09:09 PM
Hay thanks They are great but a bit small. plus they have no fencing around the edge. someone would fall off and its a long ways down. 130ft (ouch) That,s the height of my trestle.Thanks

Falcus
January 1st, 2016, 02:35 AM
So that's what those are for! I have always wondered what those barrels on trestles do. They are for fighting fires, right?


The idea is that if a Train or *Happened* to be running across the bridge and it *Happened* to be on fire at the time, they could use the barrels to extinguish it.... In practice I don't think it ever really worked very well.... One little barrel of water isn't gonna do much against a Trestle Fire (Hence you don't see alot of Trestles with them). I think possibly at one time there may have been greater risk from fires being started by sparks or Hot Ash or something from the locomotive, but still....

Also I do know some railroads at sometimes would actually hire people to walk their R.O.W.s looking for fires to extinguish, but this was usually "Don't forget your shovel & Pickax otw out the door" kinds of deals. The MLW through Montana was notorious for this in the early 20th Century for example.

-Falcus

Sorebutt
January 1st, 2016, 08:03 AM
Hay guys I am building about 2 miles of the old King Horn Sub, The trestle is at Pass Lake Ont, the trestle is now abandoned. I found a trestle and supports on DLS but can not find any fire barrel platforms. One guy said try this. (Plate Girder Bridge Platform) Its wrong kind. So iam going to try to build it from scratch. I will try to post a jpg hear when i get it done. Thanks

bendorsey
January 1st, 2016, 10:03 AM
Some railroads take trackside fires very seriously.

When I rode the Durango & Silverton (some years ago) each train was followed a half mile or so by a speeder pulling a little car with a water tank on it. The two men riding the speeder watched for fires caused by sparks from the loco. That in addition to the fact the loco had some sort of water/mist spray gadget on top of the stack and a boxcar directly behind the tender with a 500 gallon water tank to supply it. They are not allowed to run if it isn't working. I took the shop tour and asked the gent about it. He said they didn't get many but it did happen now and then and it would just take one to totally screw things up for a tourist/scenic railroad (not to mention ticking the forestry department in Colorado off to no end).

An interesting thing about that boxcar is campers/hikers, etc. can buy a ticket and the train will drop[ them off in a few locations. They can stay as long as they like of course and when done flag the train down to return to Durango. The boxcar carries their camping equipment. Rather nice of the D&S I think even if they do make a bit of $$$ out of it.

On the lighter side I always wondered about those water barrels. If you have ever seen a photo of a trestle on fire the amount of water in those barrels would like peeing into ocean and saying "I'm filling it up".:hehe:

The platforms do allow work crews to get out of the way on long trestles when a train goes by.

Ben

Sorebutt
January 1st, 2016, 10:53 AM
Hi Ben. I rode the cn passenger train to Toronto before it was name Via across this trestle at Pass Lake Ont, And now it is abandoned. I have a jpg of fire platform i made. put when i try to put it on the trestle the fences all joint together. I have seen some of your work. is it possible for you to make this item jpg[[img]http://www.hostthenpost.org/uploads/3fb976299a160357f4b675a4701851d6.jpg (http://hostthenpost.org)/IMG]

bendorsey
January 1st, 2016, 12:21 PM
Possibly but the photo (or whatever it was) doesn't appear.

Most of my trestles have platforms but they are built-in as opposed to being a separate item. Tie size and spacing would be a factor on ay platform made as a separate item. I always use the same dimensions but on most railroads those dimensions varied a bit.

Ben

Sorebutt
January 1st, 2016, 12:52 PM
Hi how do i send a photo to you. Mitch

JCitron
January 1st, 2016, 01:40 PM
Hi how do i send a photo to you. Mitch

Hi Mitch,

I'm sorry my find didn't help, but that's the breaks with Trainz content. You'll either find a gazillion of what you're looking for, or find that out of the gazillion items out there the one you need isn't there. That's why we have a gazillion things on the DLS and elsewhere. :D

To post a picture or screenshot on the forums you need to link from a photo hosting site. We recommend using Hostthenpost.org - www.hostthenpost.org (http://www.hostthenpost.org) .

You simply go to the website, upload the picture you want to host, even a bunch of pictures if you want to do that. After the pictures are uploaded, you then go to the bottom part of the screen and highlight the text in the forums box and copy.

Finally, you then paste the image link in the forums here and we can see them.

The process is a lot easier than I explained. :)

John

Sorebutt
January 2nd, 2016, 11:17 AM
Hello Ben here is the jpg i finely got it uploaded. can you make onhttp://www.hostthenpost.org/uploads/3fb976299a160357f4b675a4701851d6.jpg (http://hostthenpost.org)e of these for me. Thanks

bendorsey
January 2nd, 2016, 11:42 AM
Printed the picture out.

Exactly how do you want this configured?

Platforms like this are usually supported by extra long ties so the tie spacing on the trestle matters (and varies RR to RR). Keep in mind tie spacing on bridges and trestles is usually closer then on roadbed.
The floor boards are usually 2 inches thick and anywhere from 4 to 8 inches wide.
The wood for the railings would not normally use a different texture since its almost always plain creosote treated lumber not in need of paint.
In this case I can make it so it just abuts the ends of the ties.

So Whatcha want in the way of dimensions (and do you want me to include a water barrel?

Ben

cascaderailroad
January 2nd, 2016, 12:04 PM
I don't think they were sticking out excessively longer than @ 8 foot from the rail

JCitron
January 2nd, 2016, 12:43 PM
Ben,

I think these would best be made as a track object so they can snap on to existing bridges. You or someone else, if you don't want to be the one making these things, could make them in various widths to accommodate various bridge-types and track gauges. Being track objects, will also mean lining them up will be much easier as well. :)

John

Sorebutt
January 2nd, 2016, 03:33 PM
Hi Ben. The trestle is 12ft.5in wide. So make the platform 9ft long 8ft wide. And make the fencing 3ft high 3 bar. And put a rain barrel ok. get back to me with any questions. Thanks Mitch.

cascaderailroad
January 2nd, 2016, 03:54 PM
I really don't imagine the platform being 8 foot wide, by 9 foot long, just to provide an escapement and room for a 200 gallon water barrel, I would think the dimensions were a bit smaller, and there were usually many of them on long trestles ... IDK

http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/data/AVRR-PA/2010415211845_Ravine%20trestle%20refuge%20platform %20and%20fire%20barrel%20resized.jpg

http://familygardentrains.com/primer/bridges/trestle/horsburghs_trestle/waterbarrel.jpg

bendorsey
January 2nd, 2016, 04:38 PM
Cascade is correct in that they didn't stick out very far. Just enough so the train could clear someone on them (and/or the barrel).

He is also correct in that your dimensions are a bit (ok much) to big width-wise. 3 to 4 feet max I'd think. The barrel ain't that big.

Trestle width isn't the ruling criteria. Train width is and standard gauge equipment runs around 10 or so feet wide. So any part of the platform that sticks up above rail height must be a minimum of 6 feet from the center of the trestle.

Notice in Cascades photos how extended length ties are used as platform supports? This is pretty much standard practice as far as I know. None of my books on bridges and trestles show it done any other way.

Don't think I have ever made a track object before so in that respect you might be better off with someone who has. Doesn't mean I won't give it a try but will need some idea in the "how to set it up" department.

Ben

Sorebutt
January 2nd, 2016, 04:39 PM
Ok i get your point. Well go a head and build then 4ft x4ft with a 50gal barrel thanks Mitch
http://hostthenpost.org/uploads/7b82ae6998711b38d29c41c932191c86.jpg (http://hostthenpost.org)

Falcus
January 2nd, 2016, 05:00 PM
Ben, if I could make a suggestion, make a Static "Object" first, then worry about making it a "Track Object". After that perhaps someone with more experience making track objects here could chime in.

-Falcus

Sorebutt
January 2nd, 2016, 05:38 PM
Hi Ben here i one i build. I used rail ties 8ft long x 8ft long. I used a farm gate for the fence witch is not to bad looking. Note When your on a bridge at a height 130ft up. A platform of 4x4 looks more like a 2x2 platform if you know what i mean. Mitch

bendorsey
January 2nd, 2016, 06:16 PM
Sorebutt:

Please PM me your e-mail address so I can send it to you for testing.

Ben

Sorebutt
January 2nd, 2016, 06:39 PM
What the hell to you mean

captainkman
January 2nd, 2016, 07:32 PM
What the heck do you mean

Ben wants you to send him a Private Message containing your e-mail address, so that he can e-mail you something for testing.

Kieran.

Sorebutt
January 2nd, 2016, 07:55 PM
goldwing (goldwingse@shaw.ca)