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davesnow
September 19th, 2014, 11:18 PM
One thing I am grateful for is the way the moderators strive to keep the filthy language off these forums. I am so sick of reading the "F" word on practically every forum I go to. That word is disgusting, uncouth, and shows the lack of I.Q. of the person posting. Plus the fact that obnoxious word means absolutely NOTHING except an insult.

Just wanted to get that off my chest.

Cheers,

Dave

rickf77
September 20th, 2014, 12:47 AM
..........

Falcus
September 20th, 2014, 12:55 AM
When in doubt, swear at it, Hit it, and finally push it over... If it still doesnt work buy another one (Kidding of course). XD

Falcus

JCitron
September 20th, 2014, 07:15 AM
I agree! This is one of my peeves too with some of the other forums I belong to.

Rick - We are known to make up some words too around here when things aren't going well!

matruck
September 20th, 2014, 07:25 AM
Maybe i was brought up in a different world but for me just about every second word i use now is your bad word Dave, Doesn't mean i'm uncouth disgusting but i could have a low I.Q and i don't really care as i get along ok in the world and keep my head above the wave's. What i do find strange is how folk's just can not mind their own business these day's and every thread or post that bother's them they have to start up their own thread telling every one else how much they are annoyed by sum-one else or by sum one else's language or their use of it in their own country. So much for freedom of speech.
Mick.

boleyd
September 20th, 2014, 09:17 AM
Dave, you are on target. The culture determines the "badness". But, I know of no culture that supports bad language. As far as IQ goes my bosses boss had a foul mouth despite several degrees. Thus I do not agree with your assumption that IQ has any relationship to what we see on the Internet.

I would take a shot at a lack of respect for your audience when you use "bad" words. Many people on Internet forums are young and are still rebellious. They are out to prove their independence from the norms of the world. Older people are probably just disrespectful of their audience and in need of some counseling. Then there are the real angry fringe types that rebell against almost everything and end up in an institution or dead.

I join in applauding those who keep the forum clean despite the misfits that attempt to be "overly expressive".

jeff1959
September 20th, 2014, 09:47 AM
I would also like to express my appreciation for those who spend their free time watching over the forums. The problem with the "culture" of the internet is that people seem to behave without filters since there is an inherent anonymity to the internet.

kin3
September 20th, 2014, 10:12 AM
I would also like to express my appreciation for those who spend their free time watching over the forums. The problem with the "culture" of the internet is that people seem to behave without filters since there is an inherent anonymity to the internet.

Ditto to the above.

Vern
September 20th, 2014, 10:45 AM
The "F" word is pretty much accepted these days in the same way "bl...y" was a few years back.

Not unusual to hear a rich combination of expletives from me if I'm doing DIY and hit my thumb with the hammer, or get cut up by some lunatic in an Audi or BMW out on the road.

SWMBO will normally administer a slap if I use the ultra naughty word beginning with "C", though.

cascaderailroad
September 20th, 2014, 11:41 AM
Bad 4 letter wurdz, that should never be used are:

Snow
Cold
Work

Barry
September 20th, 2014, 12:50 PM
Not relevant. B

davesnow
September 20th, 2014, 12:59 PM
Maybe i was brought up in a different world but for me just about every second word i use now is your bad word Dave, Doesn't mean i'm uncouth disgusting but i could have a low I.Q and i don't really care as i get along ok in the world and keep my head above the wave's. What i do find strange is how folk's just can not mind their own business these day's and every thread or post that bother's them they have to start up their own thread telling every one else how much they are annoyed by sum-one else or by sum one else's language or their use of it in their own country. So much for freedom of speech.
Mick.

Yeh, I guess you're right, Mick. As I get older, I guess I'm not minding my own business like I should. I didn't say I never used the "F" word. I was in the military for 9 years---I've heard them all. I just don't like to see it on forums.


Bad 4 letter wurdz, that should never be used are:

Snow
Cold
Work

Welllll----Excuse me!!

Dave SNOW

ex-railwayman
September 20th, 2014, 01:59 PM
SWMBO will normally administer a slap if I use the ultra naughty word beginning with "C", though.

What, Christmas.....:hehe:

Cheerz. ex.

xcrossi
September 20th, 2014, 02:22 PM
See how far you get and say the F word in a court room.

ARhian7
September 20th, 2014, 04:25 PM
Saying that word in a normal conversation is lazy and disrespectful. Personally I hate the word. When a person is completely exasperated by something, I can understand it's use, then I usually just ignore if heard. A hammer hitting a finger is not nice.................

alexl102
September 20th, 2014, 05:18 PM
People use that word far too much. I don't really like it at all but I understand it's use as an exasperated exclamation and would certainly never judge someone for using it as such!

However when people are talking about ----ing this and ----ing that, I find it downright rude and lazy!

Lendorf
September 20th, 2014, 05:26 PM
Nowadays you can hear the F word even on TV or in movies as there it seems to be a "sort of" accepted language. It still baffles me why this is so, I guess TV and movie makers think this is "realistic". Similar to the display of erotic scenes presently in these. I do not know if you still remember the old TV shows and movies, where it was just a kiss and the rest was just implied without showing. Today it has to be with very close up camera shots and very graphic scenes, not leaving any room for any imagination.

For me, my 4 letter F word is FOOD, glorious tasty food that is. As I cook for myself , I can indulge there with whatever tickles my fancy.

Lennard

Dinorius_Redundicus
September 20th, 2014, 07:39 PM
I agree with the opening post too.

Now if only we could stomp on the fashion of using 'like' every second word. Like, it's not swearing as such, but like it's damned annoying when like someone is all like 'whoa dude' and I'm like 'Oh My God', I'm just like sitting here minding my own whatever.


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davesnow
September 20th, 2014, 10:44 PM
I agree with the opening post too.

Now if only we could stomp on the fashion of using 'like' every second word. Like, it's not swearing as such, but like it's damned annoying when like someone is all like 'whoa dude' and I'm like 'Oh My God', I'm just like sitting here minding my own whatever.


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. . . and "You know" ... I hear a guy on the sports news and it's: "We, you know, we got a new coach, you know, and he says to us, you know, you guys are the greatest. And we're like, you know, so happy to, you know, hear that, and you know, we ain't gonna lag behind, you know, cause, you know, we really, you know, like the guy."

And black people have started to have this redundant, "Y'know wha'm sayin'?" added to their sentences.

Dinorius_Redundicus
September 21st, 2014, 12:57 AM
It's the same here in Australia with the "you know.." syndrome. I'm like, you know, guilty of it myself sometimes.

I guess we are getting away from profanity now, but something I find equally inane are clichés and business-speak. Sports people here habitually spout meaningless clichés as a matter of professional pride and don't quite know how to finish a sentence. Asked for a comment after a football match, they will string together something like "aw look, y'know its a game of 4 quarters and full credit to the opposition, their talls are prodigious but at the end of the day you have to walk the talk and capitalise on your opportunities, yeah no, so when I saw the big guy go up with his arms stretched out like a giant pair of testicles at the 27 minute mark in the final quarter, I knew we could bring home the bacon and like I said, winners are grinners but its a week to week proposition and yeah, so..."

It is enough to make you use the F word.

JCitron
September 21st, 2014, 01:06 AM
It's the same here in Australia with the "you know.." syndrome. I'm like, you know, guilty of it myself sometimes.

I guess we are getting away from profanity now, but sports people here habitually speak in meaningless clichés as a matter of professional pride and don't quite know how to finish a sentence. Asked for a comment after a football match they will string together something like "aw look, y'know its a game of 4 quarters and full credit to the opposition, their talls are prodigious but at the end of the day you have to walk the talk and capitalise on your opportunities, yeah no so when I saw the big guy go up with his arms stretched out like a giant pair of testicles at the 27 minute mark in the final quater, I knew we could bring home the bacon and like I said, winners are grinners but its a week to week proposition and yeah, so..."

It is enough to make you use the F word.

:) So true...

Add 'and duff like dat' and we'll fully understand what he's talking about, right?

John

Lendorf
September 21st, 2014, 04:17 AM
I agree with the opening post too.

Now if only we could stomp on the fashion of using 'like' every second word. Like, it's not swearing as such, but like it's damned annoying when like someone is all like 'whoa dude' and I'm like 'Oh My God', I'm just like sitting here minding my own whatever.
.

That would be "awesome" if that would happen :hehe:.

Lennard

pfx
September 21st, 2014, 05:04 AM
While there's no need to use the copulative expletive on a forum, especially ones with younger members, language is a constantly evolving thing. That word can comes across in many instances as a verbal exclamation mark though I don't dispute for a second that it is often used to deliberately offend.

There are many actions and words I see and hear these days which would have elicited horror from my peers when I was a youngster. As Bill I think mentioned earlier, words like 'bloody' or 'arse' would have earned a clip round the ear but are perfectly acceptable nowadays (plus clipping kids round the lug probably breaks some international law on human rights now!). I'm not even sure if either word is deemed swearing these days but they certainly don't have the stigma attached to them of old. I still remember a total stranger enraged by me saying 'bum' and wanting to wash my mouth out with soap.

Actions like giving someone the fingers were also frowned upon. If someone used the two finger salute when I was in primary school (for you folks across the drink, that's elementary I think ) the rest of the kids would look on with round mouths exclaiming "ohhhhhhhh" and someone would normally say "I'm telling". Innocent times.

Standards change all the time. Sadly I think manners have declined also which may provide a little explanation as to why words we deemed unusable in the past are fine now. There is still that one word that again, I think Bill mentioned, which has lost none of its taboo and is almost universally gauranteed to offend.

t8dagr8
September 21st, 2014, 08:50 AM
And black people have started to have this redundant, "Y'know wha'm sayin'?" added to their sentences.

We are ALL different, thus have different views. It's the presentation that determines acceptance. As you wish to not see vulgar F-words, I wish blanket statements would go away as well. Mad respect to you Dave alone based on your content. This was disappointing...

wholbr
September 21st, 2014, 11:34 AM
Hi everybody.
I completely agree with the opening posters statements and would also wish to thank the moderators for keeping this forum such a pleasant place to visit.

With regard to people using expletives in everyday conversation, then it can be said that freedom of speech allows them to use such language. However, I also feel that those in the vicinity of someone using expletive language also have a right not to have to listen to that language.

It has been stated in this thread that in these “modern“ times expletives are acceptable due to their common use in films, books etc. The difference there is that a person can walk out of the cinema or turn off the TV should it be in a film or in the case of a book simply just stops reading it. That said, it is certainly a different situation In the case of someone using expletive language in general conversation. In the foregoing a person nearby may have no alternative but to listen to that language especially in the workplace.

Prior to retirement in October last year I owned my own company employing 14 people. In that company we made it a condition of employment that no expletive language was to be used in the vicinity of the general open office where the legal typists and the case support employees work. In recent months I have returned to the company to help out following a serious accident to one of the employees who purchased the company from myself. On return I have been glad to witness that the above rule regarding expletive language is still in force and I believe it still makes for a much better atmosphere where people have to work closely with one another.

With regard to persons using blanket sentences in conversation such as “y know”, I tend to find that those persons are also very “sloppy” when giving written statement to any situation. One of my delights has always been to watch some smart lawyer take apart a written statement such as the foregoing in open court.

In one such recent action I have been involved in, a plaintive in a case against his employer made a written statement advising that his employer “dropped a clanger” with regard to his working conditions. The solicitor for the employer asked the plaintiff exactly what a dropped clanger was. After a few minutes of cross questioning on the matter the former employee was reduced to a quivering, snivelling lump of jelly in the witness box of the industrial court. It certainly made a good morning’s entertainment for all of those including myself who witnessed the debacle.

Therefore, when it comes to the use of the English language both written and in conversation just look to the law courts and to how they use our language and you will not go far wrong.

Bill

davesnow
September 21st, 2014, 12:28 PM
We are ALL different, thus have different views. It's the presentation that determines acceptance. As you wish to not see vulgar F-words, I wish blanket statements would go away as well. Mad respect to you Dave alone based on your content. This was disappointing...

I wasn't saying anything against Black people. My absolute best friend is a black minister and he doesn't talk like that. He has a masters degree and none of his children talk like that either.

pdkoester
September 21st, 2014, 03:01 PM
I wasn't saying anything against Black people. My absolute best friend is a black minister and he doesn't talk like that. He has a masters degree and none of his children talk like that either.

I'll back you up, but update you at the same time. It is not a Black people thing at all. I think it is more of a lifestyle or new style culture that uses the phrase that you don't like. Where I live, a huge Latino community, that phrase is pretty common, too. It is pretty harmless. Welcome to 2014!

Paul

davesnow
September 21st, 2014, 04:14 PM
I think this thread has run its course. Mod please delete.

JCitron
September 21st, 2014, 09:31 PM
I think it's a matter of respect of others. Not everyone talks like that, therefore, we should refrain from using that language especially in front of the younger folk who shouldn't be hearing it. Sure it's part of our society, and like everything there is a time and a place to use it, (TS12 stuff up it's assets.tdx file or slamming ones finger with a hammer are exceptions!) and this is one of those places.

phimat
September 22nd, 2014, 04:14 AM
Had an old college friend - very well bred - who used to say "Oh tut". We all knew what he meant and he knew that we knew what he meant...

rjhowie
September 23rd, 2014, 11:05 PM
I tend to regard it as ignorance when someone uses that word and if in my company I face them on it. Just accepting anything because we live in "modern times" is just a cover for falling standards and dumbing down. In all the work I have done and considerable community youth work in challenging places I never lowered myself to that kind of smart alex stuff.

cascaderailroad
January 7th, 2015, 04:19 PM
A clean Forum is one thing ... But I have noticed a steak of "Meanness" going round on the Forum, where members jump right down someones throat. I can somewhat understand feelings towards "Gimmie Pigs", and "Noobs" ... But there is no reason to be outright mean to them ! I don't know who John2002 is, but it appears he was just banned ... For what ... IDK

I was once a noob ... it took me 4 weeks to figure out how get the CM working, and to download a 3rd party loco, and another week on how to commit it ... and it took me a year to find out that you can lay your own tracks, and create a route. It took me 2 weeks before I figured out how to install HOG Textures, and I was a pest that knew nothing about a PC ... aside how to turn it on.

Looking back on my first posts here on the Forum, I sure was as dumb as a box "O" round river rocks ... Thankfully no one was really mean to me.

generalman
January 7th, 2015, 10:19 PM
You bring up a very valid point Cascade. We all were of that stage at one point. Practice makes better, 'cause we never become perfect.
The thing that really ticks me off around here though is the amount of people who are just straight up rude to each other. Flame Wars are a perfect example of this. Where I'm from if you have a problem with someone you bite your lip and go on, or if you just "feel that need" to "take care of business" you do it in other ways.
Bottom line would be: if you have a problem with somebody, keep it to yourself or end it. Nobody else wants to hear (or in this case read) you and that other person bickerin' back and fourth forever and ever amen. If you feel the need to consult them about it, PM them. PLEASE. I'm tired of seeing all this bull crap everywhere. :'(

rjhowie
January 7th, 2015, 10:31 PM
Never was a truer word spken davesnow. The general fall in such standards is a groan and those that constantly think they can use such as a "right" are infantile.

davesnow
January 7th, 2015, 10:33 PM
The thing that really ticks me off around here though is the amount of people who are just straight up rude---

Hear hear. These people are "Holier than Thou." or in Layman's terms, They think they're better than anyone else.

JCitron
January 7th, 2015, 10:34 PM
I too have noticed a big change in the attitude around here too. It's not the same forums we once had it seems. It seems that people are so quick to lash out the tongue (type), instead of letting things go. Perhaps this has to do with being behind a username because if they did this in face-to-face the results would be different.

Regarding the new user that was banned, he started the same crap all over again in another thread demanding that someone make him some locomotives. Apparently he didn't learn from people having some private chats with him.

John

dragonharh
January 7th, 2015, 10:35 PM
Kids come on here and say what every they wont regardless of the ruels and the problem I've seen over the years is its just being accepted as normal I rember wen I was younger if you swore you get your mouth washed out with soup, now days Kids ( adult's as well ) have the "You can't tell me what to do attitude a lot" look at the burble abuse I got over a few bad spelling errors and nothing was really done about it at the time so I had to fight back, Now everyone leaves me alown about it or too scared I'll rip there heads off. Anywho I agree with dave & Cascade as the old saying goes: "if you have nothing nice to say don't post anything at all"

I'm just a guy who likes to model but not for anyone ppl don't desrive the stuff I do, I'm also sick and tired of how ppl treat each other on the forums and because of it I with drawed a number of projects like the final VIA car & the next DP update and most likely wont reless them entell ppl grow up, I don't like having to be mean you don't get honey with salt.
Thows are my thots on the topic.
Dragon

NSWGR_46Class
January 7th, 2015, 11:10 PM
My 2 cents worth a lack of mods jumping on anyone who steps a toe out of line like in the old days is what is needed once again.

To me it seems if the COC is to be just taken as guide lines now - not so black and white as it used to be - Once you start pushing the boundries and getting away with it, nothing will stop you from pushing more unless your told to stop - that is just human nature

KonstantinMMRR
January 7th, 2015, 11:31 PM
I agree with your original post. I teach high school, and I hear the F... word several times a day from students. It has become normal conversation. For 13 years, I have run the down-marker chains at our high school football games. We are among the visiting team. I am very disappointed when coaches, trainers, and other employees, "student leaders" constantly yell F... words, and many, many other obscenities.

jkinzel
January 8th, 2015, 12:11 AM
There is a bit of a silver lining to being jumped on or should I say "trying to avoid being jumped on" for asking a question. I work a lot harder at finding a solution to a problem and exhaust all my known options before I turn to the forum for help. Most of the time I end up solving it myself.

Falcus
January 8th, 2015, 04:33 PM
Id like to see rules against whining.... Honestly, having rules against asking for content has always struck me as a sideways solution, though I understand the spirit of the rules and agree there is a need for something.

Still, with the rules and attitudes as they are, we see alot of "Well Gee Mr Wonderful Content Creator *I'm not trying to be a Gimmie-piggy*, but hows the progress on XYZ Locomotive you posted progress about over 6 months ago?" It feels like the community at large must front load any inquiry with a precaution against a Gimmie-piggie Witch Hunt.....

I'd much rather see a quieter response to things like the recent rather unruly demands for content, to the effect of, instead of having certain Forum regulars throwing up a gauntlet of grumpiness at the offender, perhaps just Reporting them and letting a Mod Deal with it. The Rules as they stand now don't touch this kind of scenario past "Well, if a Mod thinks you're obnoxious, we reserve the right to invoke the Ban-Hammer", and though the mods from what I've seen in my 5+ years of lurking and posting here are more then fair, I think having stronger guidelines might help shape the community a little better.

Falcus

jordon412
January 8th, 2015, 05:13 PM
Still, with the rules and attitudes as they are, we see alot of "Well Gee Mr Wonderful Content Creator *I'm not trying to be a Gimmie-piggy*, . . .

I must admit, recently I asked if whitepass if he was thinking about making models of Southern's Alco PA's before taking a break from making models of PA's. Like above, I started off with 'I'm not trying to be a gimmie-pig . . . '. However, to clarify my question, I wasn't asking if he will do it before he takes a break, but instead if he's considering, or planning on making a model of Southern's PA's. If he doesn't, I'll wait until ANL re-releases his model.

Also, I try to keep my mouth shut, but sometimes someone just gets on my nerves and I just have to say 'Hey, quit ', or 'Look, calm down'. Sometimes I get a bit meaner at times, but I try not to 'blow my stack', as I don't want to get banned.

Note: I get [I]really mad if someone makes a comment about Autism that I find offensive. That's pretty much the only time that I will 'blow my stack'.

JCitron
January 8th, 2015, 06:24 PM
And... The good side does come out of asking nicely as well. I asked if there were any people on a stick like MSG Sapper made for cars. In the end, Scottish made some for everyone to enjoy. We now have easily placed crowds made with the built-in people.

MeowRailroad
January 8th, 2015, 06:53 PM
People on a stick? That sounds like a strange country fair food.

Falcus
January 8th, 2015, 08:48 PM
I must admit, recently I asked if whitepass if he was thinking about making models of Southern's Alco PA's before taking a break from making models of PA's. Like above, I started off with 'I'm not trying to be a gimmie-pig . . . '. However, to clarify my question, I wasn't asking if he will do it before he takes a break, but instead if he's considering, or planning on making a model of Southern's PA's. If he doesn't, I'll wait until ANL re-releases his model.

Also, I try to keep my mouth shut, but sometimes someone just gets on my nerves and I just have to say 'Hey, quit ', or 'Look, calm down'. Sometimes I get a bit meaner at times, but I try not to 'blow my stack', as I don't want to get banned.

Note: I get [I]really mad if someone makes a comment about Autism that I find offensive. That's pretty much the only time that I will 'blow my stack'.

I will send you a PM Later if you wish, however I wanted to say publicly that my post in no way targeted you or anyone else specifically. I have seen numerous people make almost identical requests for information to what you describe.

In my opinion (two cents), people should not have to precaution a mere reasonable request for information against any perspective future accusations. Accusations shouldn't be made readily or quickly enough that people feel a need to address it before they've even stated a question..... My comments are more on our community as a whole (Or perhaps certain parts of it, and even then I'd wager most wouldn't be able to accurately point at which parts), then at any one person, for the purpose of floating the idea publicly that perhaps we could have a written standard somewhere.

Falcus

jordon412
January 8th, 2015, 10:15 PM
I will send you a PM Later if you wish, however I wanted to say publicly that my post in no way targeted you or anyone else specifically. I have seen numerous people make almost identical requests for information to what you describe.

No you didn't. I was trying to explain that sometimes people are occasionally labeled 'gimmie-pigs' just because they, the reader, interpreted the post in a different way than the poster, labeled a 'gimmie-pig', intended.