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Zeldaboy14
June 14th, 2014, 12:03 AM
Well, due to RuvanJ making me mad and forcing me to release the "model", GDennish got mad at me and has now quite content creating. I don't think GDennish really knows what happened, but it's sad that he's gone.

dragonharh
June 14th, 2014, 12:09 AM
*Sigh* James this isn't helping you and doing more harm then good Honestly I'm getting tired of it.

pware
June 14th, 2014, 12:13 AM
*Sigh* No Commit

I concur. Heaven preserve us from juveniles !

nikos1
June 14th, 2014, 12:19 AM
I wish they would just you permaban already.......

AJ_Fox
June 14th, 2014, 12:51 AM
Is this really of interest to the Trainz Community?

Cheers

AJ

NeoPyro
June 14th, 2014, 01:07 AM
Is this really of interest to the Trainz Community?

Cheers

AJ+1 I think Facebook or Skype would have been a much better place for this instead of on the forums.

shaneturner12
June 14th, 2014, 02:44 AM
I've had a read of the related post, and agree that it was something that shouldn't have appeared on the forums. The OP of that post, for whatever reason, didn't seem to accept that no means no (I've got some content for example that I'm not allowed to release for various reasons).

I've a feeling that this thread will get closed fairly soon as well.

Shane

P.S. NeoPyro - am I correct in thinking that +1 type posts are seen as nonsensical in the eyes of the CoC? Perhaps AJ can confirm this one.

amigacooke
June 14th, 2014, 03:56 AM
I don't think GDennish really knows what happened, but it's sad that he's gone.
I think you might be missing the important part here. By your own admission, it was because of something you did.

Take the chance to learn by your mistake and think long and hard before you act.

NSWGR_46Class
June 14th, 2014, 04:02 AM
How does one force you to release content - why would GDennish get mad at you unless it was not your original work in the first place.

I have had someone else release some of my betas as there own work before and it is really annoying I can tell you.


Well, due to RuvanJ making me mad and forcing me to release the "model", GDennish got mad at me and has now quite content creating. I don't think GDennish really knows what happened, but it's sad that he's gone.

pcas1986
June 14th, 2014, 04:10 AM
How does one force you to release content - why would GDennish get mad at you unless it was not your original work in the first place.

I have had someone else release some of my betas as there own work before and it is really annoying I can tell you.

I wondered too.

On your second point, perhaps it might be useful for the beta version to include some really ugly artefact in the main mesh that could only ever be removed by the original author. i.e. something like the large cubes I use to mark LOD changes.

oknotsen
June 14th, 2014, 04:35 AM
Well, due to RuvanJ making me mad and forcing me to release the "model", GDennish got mad at me and has now quite content creating.So, what you are basically saying is...: Due to your behaviour a content creator has quit creating.

Few questions:
Why are you posting this?
When are you going to follow a "temper control training" so you don't get mad for no reason and as a result are not going to do this anymore?
When are you going to apologize to the community for making a content creator stop?

To be honest:
I don't expect any good answers to these questions.
It might even be better if you do not respond to this topic anymore as I doubt it will do yourself any good.
I can only hope you look in the mirror and think "Wait, if I get mad, I should go out and play instead of post on the forum".

shaneturner12
June 14th, 2014, 04:43 AM
I can partially see what the problem is - it's to do with copyright, and if it's the issue relating to the thread that AJ locked earlier today, then it's one that could cause Zeldaboy14 a lot of problems including possible legal action from Nintendo. RuvanJ is also potentially in breach of the Code of Conduct as well for requesting said content despite it being copyrighted (as mentioned in the other thread - not sure why AJ didn't make that one clear to said user). If anything though, RuvanJ is the one at fault here for requesting the content in the first place, although Zeldaboy14 is also at fault by posting the Youtube video in the first place - I'm surprised Google hasn't taken action against Zeldaboy14's Youtube account.

In terms of GDennish, I cannot find any evidence in either this thread or the other one regarding this, so I cannot comment on that part.

The moral of this story is look before you leap and don't request copyrighted content. N3V could really do with having a forum thread regarding this to make it clear what is and what is not allowed.

This may have far-reaching effects to other users as well, so I would strongly advise that all users who plan to release copyrighted content get permission from the copyright owners before doing so - if in doubt, don't release the content, even if requested by another user.

I realise this may not be popular, but it needs to be said.

Shane

NSWGR_46Class
June 14th, 2014, 05:15 AM
The amount of content GDennish has on the DLS is no more that 10 items (not including dependencies) and these would not be of interest to the larger proportion of the trainz community as the very low down load count on the items shows.

817TAYLOR
June 14th, 2014, 05:26 AM
This is kind of rather insane that this has happened. Friday the 13th, with a full moon. It would appear everyone has had a bad day.

If I may say something, and let this be noted this is NOT a personal attack.

Zelda,
You SHOULD, saying SHOULD so this is clear this is a SUGGESTION not a DEMAND. I have been banned three times, first time was two weeks, and the last two were two months, and the last two times were because of the same person. I learned a valuable lesson, do not bring your personal life onto the forums. I also learned that a lot of people feed on drama, and this place is a place of very high immaturity. With that said there are a lot of intelligent people, such as the fine team at JointedRail, Erik, Hert, and so on. The point is that you should take a break from N3V Forums, and cool off, and let life make you happy. People will make personal attacks and question what really happened. Peer pressure is no fun and some are more subject to it than others. I am not saying what you did is right but I can see someone pestering you to release something and you ding it. Again I SUGGEST you should take a break and focus on your personal life. I usually work on my car when I am angry, because it takes muscle power, which I like to excerpt when mad, and it's rewarding. I would strongly suggest you find something that occupies your time and something you enjoy, and if it's trainz, even IF you don't want to take a break from the game, I am NOT saying take a break from the game, I am saying take a break from the Forums.

I hope what ever you do, good fate comes to you.

-Taylor.

John514
June 14th, 2014, 05:30 AM
This is kind of rather insane that this has happened. Friday the 13th, with a full moon. It would appear everyone has had a bad day.

On a totaly pointless, off topic note, the next Friday the 13th, with a full moon is in 2049!

NSWGR_46Class
June 14th, 2014, 05:59 AM
Zeldaboy14 is just off a lengthy ban - even his sister has had to step in at one stage to bail him out, what he needs is a mentor to monitor and advise him on his postings. This service has been offered by a few but he seem not want to take advantage of this.

817TAYLOR
June 14th, 2014, 06:02 AM
I still say he should take a break.

RuvanJ
June 14th, 2014, 07:08 AM
Well I never thought it would take this erm... turn? Honestly I had no intention of this happening at all, I even sent Zelda an apology... but soon after that, this happened...

Apology:


Hey Zelda, I'm Sorry for what has happened... I didn't mean to put you into that situation and in a way I feel bad for it.. I myself am a good guy and if it makes you feel any better I actually didn't download the train at all, I actually waited till the conflict was over but I can see why you can't release it... I hope for your forgiveness and that maybe we can become great friends! :)

I was HOPING for you to accept my apology and put this behind us... And like i said Zelda i had no intention in forcing you to release the model... can we please put this behind us... Seriously I never saw this coming at all...


I can partially see what the problem is - it's to do with copyright, and if it's the issue relating to the thread that AJ locked earlier today, then it's one that could cause Zeldaboy14 a lot of problems including possible legal action from Nintendo. RuvanJ is also potentially in breach of the Code of Conduct as well for requesting said content despite it being copyrighted (as mentioned in the other thread - not sure why AJ didn't make that one clear to said user). If anything though, RuvanJ is the one at fault here for requesting the content in the first place, although Zeldaboy14 is also at fault by posting the Youtube video in the first place - I'm surprised Google hasn't taken action against Zeldaboy14's Youtube account.

In terms of GDennish, I cannot find any evidence in either this thread or the other one regarding this, so I cannot comment on that part.

The moral of this story is look before you leap and don't request copyrighted content. N3V could really do with having a forum thread regarding this to make it clear what is and what is not allowed.

This may have far-reaching effects to other users as well, so I would strongly advise that all users who plan to release copyrighted content get permission from the copyright owners before doing so - if in doubt, don't release the content, even if requested by another user.

I realise this may not be popular, but it needs to be said.

Shane

I wasn't at requesting a copyright product, I was ask him questions regarding the model, how he did it, and possibly what programs he used. The first comment was an intended joke, I never forced him in releasing his model... Its his misinterpretation that led to his actions. I apologize for not knowing you don't get jokes so in a way I'm in the wrong, even so at the time I was not familiar with the Code of Conduct until just yesterday(I myself don't use the forums as often until just recently cause bored of other games and I'm playing Train Simulator a bit more too, Yet I now am familiar with the Code of Conduct as of now), also that itself only puts me a little bit into the wrong considering I did not request the model what so ever

Here's a debrief of the comments and what happened:





http://forums.auran.com/trainz/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Zeldaboy14http://forums.auran.com/trainz/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forums.auran.com/trainz/showthread.php?p=1299484#post1299484)This person who posted the post is the same user who bugged me on youtube to release the models I showed in a video.



This is how it went down
1. I was joking about being tortured I was eventually getting to the point of giving up till i found your video, i was like FINALLY!! Then i noticed the description, I then sent you a comment

The Comment chain: (Italics are explanations)



ϟLightning Sprintϟ (http://www.youtube.com/profile_redirector/116276375087967546468)
Why must you torture me ;-; I'm still looking across the internet for this train and i find this video in hopes for a link for this model but no... ;-;

James J (http://www.youtube.com/profile_redirector/102503810380898926563)
+ϟLightning Sprintϟ (http://www.youtube.com/profile_redirector/116276375087967546468) Nope. It's a Ripped game model, so no release can be done.

ϟLightning Sprintϟ (http://www.youtube.com/profile_redirector/116276375087967546468)
+James J (http://www.youtube.com/profile_redirector/102503810380898926563) Are you saying that you can't release it or you won't release it?
Meaning either you are saying its impossible to release it or you refuse to release it because you want to keep it to yourself.?
After this you came at me with a violent reply
James J (http://www.youtube.com/profile_redirector/102503810380898926563)
+ϟLightning Sprintϟ (http://www.youtube.com/profile_redirector/116276375087967546468) READ THE WORDS. IT'S A RIPPED MODEL, SO NO RELEASE OF IT. END.

ϟLightning Sprintϟ (http://www.youtube.com/profile_redirector/116276375087967546468)
+James J (http://www.youtube.com/profile_redirector/102503810380898926563) I just don't understand your grammar man, your English word ordering is off. What i can get out of that is that you Imported it from the game itself. May i ask how you did it?(Me Stating that I could not understand what you were saying cause your English Word ordering made me confused and you said "No release can be done" made me wondering if you refuse to release it or if you can't)

James J (http://www.youtube.com/profile_redirector/102503810380898926563)
+ϟLightning Sprintϟ (http://www.youtube.com/profile_redirector/116276375087967546468) Why did you have to bring it onto the Trainz Forums? I mean, that's not the place, and they don't care about it.

ϟLightning Sprintϟ (http://www.youtube.com/profile_redirector/116276375087967546468)

+James J (http://www.youtube.com/profile_redirector/102503810380898926563) How the bloody hell did you even know that was me? Secondly, I can do what ever the hell I want to, I needed help on obtaining items, my first thing is to go to the trainz forums. You do not tell me what I can and can not do. You are not the authority and seriously, you could act more sensibly to people like me, considering that I love Legend of Zelda Spirit Tracks and I'm looking far and wide for the model and you can take that model and shove it up your ass all I care. Good day to you sir

(Sorry for my language but your actions were revolting I was simply asking questions and you replied violently.)

+ϟLightning Sprintϟ (http://www.youtube.com/profile_redirector/116276375087967546468) downloads trainz content | zeldaboy14productionworks HAPPY NOW? CONTINUE THIS, AND I'LL WILL DISABLE THE COMMENTS.
(I never said you MUST release the model, I was asking how you ripped it out of the game. If you didn't reply so violently we would of had a civil conversation... but it lead to you releasing your model... to the public... for all to see and download...)


I had no intention to force you into releasing this model so you just forced yourself to do something that was well... stupid?


Actual Post: http://forums.auran.com/trainz/showthread.php?112464-Legend-of-Zelda-Spirit-Tracks-Spirit-Train&p=1299521#post1299521


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVmdTf7Vcxc

ZecMurphy
June 14th, 2014, 09:05 AM
Thread closed

Zeldaboy, as has been pointed out, no one can force you to release content.

However, it is NOT appropriate to air out disagreements with other members via the forums.

If a creator has decided to refrain from content creation, then this is their choice. However, it is not appropriate for anyone but that creator to state this. I'm pretty sure you've been told this several times...

Regards