I seem to remember it was mentioned that limited dem data included in 2009. Full data 2010? However things change in the worlds of trainz. I have used hog but limited as use uk srtm2, etc. Also I don't use payware as regards other dem option currently available (as payment facilities are online only). Barry
Will trs2009 have integrated dem data.
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Dinorius_Redundicus
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Good question Barry. It will be great if '09 has DEM processing built in. I don't know the answer though.
amigacooke
Well-known member
I believe the answer is no, but I can't recall where that came from.
Found it in a reply from Tony Hilliam
quote HOG and Transdem are important and I like what I see with google earth. Support for these utilities is our goal although the cooler stuff (like making it really easy) is likely to have to wait until 2010. end quote.
From my understanding it read if basic dem would be 2009 and full dem application in 2010. Seems a fundamental function these days to me on which routes can be built as in many other simulators.
Unlikely that new customers would try and chase up the HOG details and not everyone is into payware applications for various reasons.
But can only go by what I read and what is posted.
Barry
quote HOG and Transdem are important and I like what I see with google earth. Support for these utilities is our goal although the cooler stuff (like making it really easy) is likely to have to wait until 2010. end quote.
From my understanding it read if basic dem would be 2009 and full dem application in 2010. Seems a fundamental function these days to me on which routes can be built as in many other simulators.
Unlikely that new customers would try and chase up the HOG details and not everyone is into payware applications for various reasons.
But can only go by what I read and what is posted.
Barry
Approach_Medium
Trainz Addict
I think that trying to integrate DEM data into TS2009, or any version would be too demanding on the development team, and perhaps these guys are not the ones who should have to be burdoned by this task, since we already have an excellent application in Transdem. I think it's best for each to keep his/her own specialty, and not to get too inclusive with features like this.
Having full DEM data built into TS would be akin to having full Antivirus features built into Windows.
Symantec and others have been quite effective in providing this solution to us, for a reasonable cost.
Nice thing about 3rd party features/addons, is that we have more choices on what we want to include, and where we want to buy it.
Let's be happy if TS2009 functions well out of the box.
FW
Having full DEM data built into TS would be akin to having full Antivirus features built into Windows.
Symantec and others have been quite effective in providing this solution to us, for a reasonable cost.
Nice thing about 3rd party features/addons, is that we have more choices on what we want to include, and where we want to buy it.
Let's be happy if TS2009 functions well out of the box.
FW
Please refer to my question and to the extract I quoted. I did not ask for opinions. B
Approach_Medium
Trainz Addict
I am sorry about that. I guess I didn't read the thread closely enough before posting, not catching that it was not supposed to be an opinion thread. I'll try to keep my posts to comform with the thread content in the future.
FW
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Not to worry. .............. Looks like a no anyway in the absence of any positive confirmation from the people making and testing trainz and who are more in the know............... Barry
Right no replies in the affirmative so I will assume no integrated dem data however simple in its functions will be included in trs2009.............
Most of the work is done with Microdem anyway and finalised with HOG.
Trainz itself does not play much of a part anyway as all as you are doing is replacing one terrain file with another.
So for 2009 do we know if the HOG generated ground file will replace the trainz gnd. file as in tc3.
If not that means dem based routes can only be produced using payware, unless somebody knows a different method?.................
I can't understand why these basic dem questions are being apparently neglected which is the basis for all realistic route making, especially when the release date is supposed to be so near. .............
Anyway without integrated dem data I will give future trainz versions a miss.
Using Hog is tricky for UK SRTM2 data with the problem of deleting spare baseboards.
Payware is not an option as previously explained.
With it I may look further into using trainz as regards canal networks on different levels, etc.
Its just a simple equation....
Barry
Most of the work is done with Microdem anyway and finalised with HOG.
Trainz itself does not play much of a part anyway as all as you are doing is replacing one terrain file with another.
So for 2009 do we know if the HOG generated ground file will replace the trainz gnd. file as in tc3.
If not that means dem based routes can only be produced using payware, unless somebody knows a different method?.................
I can't understand why these basic dem questions are being apparently neglected which is the basis for all realistic route making, especially when the release date is supposed to be so near. .............
Anyway without integrated dem data I will give future trainz versions a miss.
Using Hog is tricky for UK SRTM2 data with the problem of deleting spare baseboards.
Payware is not an option as previously explained.
With it I may look further into using trainz as regards canal networks on different levels, etc.
Its just a simple equation....
Barry
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Lots_Trains
TS2010 User
Barry
09 is in code lock, I have seen no DEM fuctions available in it so it won't show up now.
Re:HOG generated terrain, I have shifted some HOG generated DEM terrain into TRS09 and it works fine no problems, it works just the same as it did in 06.
Opinion don't slap me about. Transdem may be payware but for ease of use and functionalty its way above Microdem/HOG think you might be cutting off your nose to spite your face there. As I like your all your boat stuff and you are an old timer around here, I might shout ya a copy of TransDem what do say. And Geophil is outstanding at answering your questions
PM me if ya wanna take up the offer
Cheers
09 is in code lock, I have seen no DEM fuctions available in it so it won't show up now.
Re:HOG generated terrain, I have shifted some HOG generated DEM terrain into TRS09 and it works fine no problems, it works just the same as it did in 06.
Opinion don't slap me about. Transdem may be payware but for ease of use and functionalty its way above Microdem/HOG think you might be cutting off your nose to spite your face there. As I like your all your boat stuff and you are an old timer around here, I might shout ya a copy of TransDem what do say. And Geophil is outstanding at answering your questions
PM me if ya wanna take up the offer
Cheers
Barry
09 is in code lock, I have seen no DEM fuctions available in it so it won't show up now.
Re:HOG generated terrain, I have shifted some HOG generated DEM terrain into TRS09 and it works fine no problems, it works just the same as it did in 06.
Opinion don't slap me about. Transdem may be payware but for ease of use and functionalty its way above Microdem/HOG think you might be cutting off your nose to spite your face there. As I like your all your boat stuff and you are an old timer around here, I might shout ya a copy of TransDem what do say. And Geophil is outstanding at answering your questions
PM me if ya wanna take up the offer
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Thanks for your post.
May see what happens with tr2009.
Not using trainz now and disposed of tc3, as lost interest a bit again as the whole set up is getting a bit too complex with the rules and regulations for future content making and using next version of cmp to get into trs2009.
Especially drivable content with offset boat attachments and continually changinging configs, etc.
The payware problem was simply I don't use debit/credit details on line and no reason to change from this at present.
I will probably just wat for the next version of the sailing simulator I use as I use the same Blender blend files I use for trainz.
A few clicks of the mouse and can add what I want.
with no configurations to set up.
I have made similar sceneries for that as I made for trainz.
Vista scuppered the scenery making for that but they are working on an updated version.
Was just trying to get the overall picture of trs2009 but I think my interest has now evaporated competely once again.
You can probably get enough realism for trains and trams now with trs2009, but trying to use the simulator for boat transport etc no longer real enough for me and does not have the same appeal.
Novelty when trainz first started and people were experimenting with different things and we got boats moving, etc.
Thanks Again
Barry
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Lots_Trains
TS2010 User
No worries there mate.
Don't worry about CMP it just got way easier, a 3rd party CMP type thing has popped up and make commitint objects just like it was in 04 real easy!!!! As for the more complex objects I might just stick with 06 style objects and bank the frame rate increase for denser sceneries.
Yes I like to run a few ships, made some Container Ships, so they can unload at container ports, just fits really well with the trains. Not as detailed as the stuff you run, but does ok for me.
Anyway hang in there Barry
Cheers
Don't worry about CMP it just got way easier, a 3rd party CMP type thing has popped up and make commitint objects just like it was in 04 real easy!!!! As for the more complex objects I might just stick with 06 style objects and bank the frame rate increase for denser sceneries.
Yes I like to run a few ships, made some Container Ships, so they can unload at container ports, just fits really well with the trains. Not as detailed as the stuff you run, but does ok for me.
Anyway hang in there Barry
Cheers
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paperpusher
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