WILL TRAINZ EVER BE PORTED OVER TO LINUX

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nugget2225

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i just wondered if trainz will ever be ported over to linux, such as ubuntu, if it wasnt for this game i would not even use windows,linux is free alot of open source software , and in my mind ubuntu is 100 times better than windows operating systems, as ubuntu has endless possabilities, just a thought, trainz 2006 will run under ubuntu , but every newer version from there will not run via wine hq,:)

and linux supports nearly all videocards to date and even a one click install os, if someone can get trainz working in linux let me know

http://www.ubuntu.com/
 
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Those who buy other OS than Windows are purposely going against the grain of PC's, and are deliberately sidestepping a proven technology, or perhaps they are just trying to snub their nose at Bill Gates and the Windows OS by buying a OS that is different & inferior to windows ... no wonder the stuff won't work if you buy an OS that is incompatable.

When ever I went to the store all I saw was Windows PC's ... I have never seen a Lynux of Ubuntu PC ... If you bought a DELL, you probably didn't pay enough, and ended up with less.:hehe:
 
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actually alot of computer companies will install ubuntu by request, in the past ubuntu was a geek os, but these days its very easy to install for someone that doesnt even know much about computers, who knows trainz may eventually run better ported to linux than it does on windows.;)
 
Well I know that 06 works with Linux. And you have contradicted yourself about how Linux is user-friendly and supports everything but it won't run anything later than 2006…

I know Linux is free, and I have looked at Linux many times over the years. Software development just isn't there and very well may never be. When I was editing video professionally, lack of any real "professional quality" video editing software along with absolutely no support for the Matrox RTX-100 ruled out Linux for me at that time.

I attempted to put Linux on my Dell studio XPS 435 MT back when I first got it about three years ago, wouldn't support the audio, network or video card (which was an ATI 4850) at that time. I've since upgraded video cards but I'm not going to run out and try to install Linux just to see if it will or will not support my hardware.

There is an old adage "you get what you pay for." I also firmly believe that if you make something free, you destroyed any intrinsic value it might have had. I'm getting up there in years, and it's been my life experience (and this has never failed) nothing I've ever had in my life and I do mean nothing where there is a free version and a version that isn't free, never has a free product equaled the quality of the same type of product that wasn't free.

If you're not using Windows 7, it's really your loss. I've been using computers since basic on the Altair, I've used basic, assembly, OS nine, OS 2, every flavor of UNIX, DOS from 2.1, every version of Windows up to seven, still have a copy Windows 2.1 shrink-wrapped, just about every flavor of Linux, I'm probably forgetting a few different operating systems or languages but you know what? Windows 7 64-bit loads up every time I start the computer, and eight or nine months now it's never locked up or crashed. It always shuts down when I tell it to, and the most important thing, it runs every program I want it to run, and it doesn't complain…
 
cascaderailroad said:
When ever I went to the store all I saw was Windows PC's ... I have never seen a Lynux of Ubuntu PC ... If you bought a DELL, you probably didn't pay enough, and ended up with less.:hehe:
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I know for a FACT that Best Buy (the US's biggest computer store) carries the eeePC that normally runs a version of Linux (ok not Ubuntu...). I can't say if your local best buy has them in it; but I do know mine does.

peter
 
Linux is amazing when it comes to breathing new life into old machines. I installed it on a machine where XP absolutely crawled and it flies. But it really is only good to surf the web, nothing else. I had a hard enough time getting drivers for video let alone the non-existent drivers for the wireless adapter which they actually wanted me to pay for..

Linux is in a sense inferior. However the only other plus side is that I have yet to see a SINGLE virus for it, unlike Macs where they claim they don't get them but yet have anti virus software to get rid of viruses....:o:hehe:

Linux isn't used by the world market like Windows...the fact that trainz is being ported to Mac is a big step for any company because Macs still only hold a very small portion of the computer market.

PC or Mac that is up to you, but we all know which sells more and how much easier one is to fix then the other and not having to send it off to east bum **** to get it fixed, then get it back in the same condition or a completely different one all together...
 
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Well I know that 06 works with Linux. And you have contradicted yourself about how Linux is user-friendly and supports everything but it won't run anything later than 2006…

I know Linux is free, and I have looked at Linux many times over the years. Software development just isn't there and very well may never be. When I was editing video professionally, lack of any real "professional quality" video editing software along with absolutely no support for the Matrox RTX-100 ruled out Linux for me at that time.

I attempted to put Linux on my Dell studio XPS 435 MT back when I first got it about three years ago, wouldn't support the audio, network or video card (which was an ATI 4850) at that time. I've since upgraded video cards but I'm not going to run out and try to install Linux just to see if it will or will not support my hardware.

There is an old adage "you get what you pay for." I also firmly believe that if you make something free, you destroyed any intrinsic value it might have had. I'm getting up there in years, and it's been my life experience (and this has never failed) nothing I've ever had in my life and I do mean nothing where there is a free version and a version that isn't free, never has a free product equaled the quality of the same type of product that wasn't free.

If you're not using Windows 7, it's really your loss. I've been using computers since basic on the Altair, I've used basic, assembly, OS nine, OS 2, every flavor of UNIX, DOS from 2.1, every version of Windows up to seven, still have a copy Windows 2.1 shrink-wrapped, just about every flavor of Linux, I'm probably forgetting a few different operating systems or languages but you know what? Windows 7 64-bit loads up every time I start the computer, and eight or nine months now it's never locked up or crashed. It always shuts down when I tell it to, and the most important thing, it runs every program I want it to run, and it doesn't complain…
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what i am saying using play on linux , trainz 2006 will run, anything newer than trainz 2006 will not run and i have tried to get them to run. i was talking about games, linux is a user friendly os for everything else but games
 
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nugget2225 said:
what i am saying using play on linux , trainz 2006 will run, anything newer than trainz 2006 will not run and i have tried to get them to run. i was talking about games, linux is a user friendly os for everything else but games
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The issue is performance and the video card drivers. The market is in Windows so that's where the video card manufacturers put their major effort when writing video card drivers. The other issue is the openness of UNIX. If you want to keep exactly how you get performance out of a video card after spending a lot of money developing the driver the last thing you want is your competitors seeing how you did it and that's very difficult to keep confidential in the UNIX environment.

TS2009/10 make much more use of the video cards besides how do you implement a Microsoft video standard DirectX under UNIX?

Cheerio John
 
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directx 9 can be installed on ubuntu , and ati and nvidia both have drivers for ubuntu, i have an ati 6950 and the drivers install fine under ubuntu,i wasnt trying to drag this out in a big long conversation,i like windows 7, dont get me wrong but in my mind over the years its just become a bloated os, and linux keeps things alot more simple, when i installed ubuntu , video drivers were the only thing i had to install for my os to work correctly, even my wifi printer was detected and the drivers were installed on there own, thats all i was getting at.;)
 
Mr. Whelan is right. This is one side of Unix that a lot of companies don't like.

The other thing too is once the program is available for Ubuntu, what about the other flavors of 'nix. Wouldn't people then want one for Red Hat, Solaris, Oracle Linux, Slackware, etc?

This is a major problem with the 'nix operating systems. There are so many flavors that it is really difficult to write a program that would load on all of them unless it is a specialized program meant for the proprietary platform.

So instead of going for the smaller proprietary market, Auran went for the more popular Windows and now Apple market where the consumers will purchase the program.

John
 
Ghost42 hit the nail on the head early on. Why no some other tiny used OS? I am well aware that very small alternatives like Linux and others have a very loyal and determined fan base but they are in a corner. I confes to being curious about Linux but the general acceptabliity of Windows is a great ease. In honestly I have been equally curious about the Mac but never seen one in operation but it too like Linux takes me out my ease and comfort zone.
 
nugget2225

i didnt like linux either for a long time, i would install and uninstall many times over, but after messing with alot of distros , ubuntu can be a fun learning experience and enjoyable to play around with.
 
nugget2225 said:
i didnt like linux either for a long time, i would install and uninstall many times over, but after messing with alot of distros , ubuntu can be a fun learning experience and enjoyable to play around with.
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I was like this when I first went to DOS from CP/M. CP/M came out before DOS and in many ways is similar. It's obsolete today and was the forerunner, and for me a bit confusing. The commands were the same and some had the same name, but different meanings.

The same happened to me with Linux. I used Solaris before I used Linux. The two are similar, but Solaris is better - more refined. I was a bit out of context and confused, but enjoyed playing around and learning the operating system flavors to a point where I am comfortable with them, and can do a lot of things such as running utilities, installing software, and executing programs. I even learned how to do a 'make-file' to compile a program I wanted to use. The thing is you need a purpose to use it.

Ubuntu to me is Linux glazed over with an easy shell to work with. The big GUI on the front-end hides the real power that the Unix and Linux have. I feel very restricted when using Ubuntu, unlike Solaris with the KDE and the terminal windows.

John
 
Hi guys,

Just to put an official word in on this: we don't have any plans in this direction at the current time. That's not to say that we won't do this in the future, but we don't currently have people with the relevant experience and we don't feel that the limited close-source linux market would justify hiring them.

chris
 
mrscsi said:
There is an old adage "you get what you pay for." I also firmly believe that if you make something free, you destroyed any intrinsic value it might have had. I'm getting up there in years, and it's been my life experience (and this has never failed) nothing I've ever had in my life and I do mean nothing where there is a free version and a version that isn't free, never has a free product equaled the quality of the same type of product that wasn't free.
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So you are saying that all the content on the DLS is of poor quality just because its free ?????? The above is an insult to any community minded person, you know, those people that do things for others for free.

If you're not using Windows 7, it's really your loss. I've been using computers since basic on the Altair, I've used basic, assembly, OS nine, OS 2, every flavor of UNIX, DOS from 2.1, every version of Windows up to seven, still have a copy Windows 2.1 shrink-wrapped, just about every flavor of Linux, I'm probably forgetting a few different operating systems or languages but you know what? Windows 7 64-bit loads up every time I start the computer, and eight or nine months now it's never locked up or crashed. It always shuts down when I tell it to, and the most important thing, it runs every program I want it to run, and it doesn't complain…
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OK, so Windows is the OS for you, good for you, but what gives you the right to say what OS is right for others, and I started with QDOS, so what, that just means I am getting on in years and nothing else, oh by the way, Ubuntu has only crashed on me once in several years, and that took my special needs daughter and an Alpha release, I will NOT knock Windows, if it does what you want great, Ubuntu does what I want with the exception of Trainz.

Cheers David (Who is replying using linux on an old 486 that has just had Linux put on it ;P )
 
Some of the comments in this thread have hit the nail on the head.

Linux still requires too much input from a resident "propeller-head computer nerd" to actually get it to work for us mere mortals. I have tried several flavours of Linux over the years and Ubuntu is the only one that I have actually succeeded in installing and running. It is currently running on an old Dell Dimension 2300 desktop that used to run XP (slowly) - although I have never succeeded in getting Ubuntu to recognise a USB mouse - and all my attempts to get it to run Trainz 2004 through Wine have utterly failed.

I have very few applications installed - basically the software that came with the Ubuntu system - plus Firefox, Chrome and Wine. While I am certain other software packages must exist I can't seem to find them. And when I do find a source of software, the software installation system usually defeats me - the Setup files and installation packages that come with Windows are so much easier to use.

The Linux sections of computer mags often tell their readers about the need to go into "Terminal" to do this or that - I cannot recall the last time I had to use Command mode (drop back to DOS) to do anything in Windows.

What do I use my Ubuntu machine for - for web browsing while I am playing Trainz on my "real" machine. It spends a fair bit of time every week getting updates - and I thought Microsoft and Adobe were bad with their updates.

In short - Linux (Ubuntu) is interesting to play with but I would not swap my mainstream Windows Vista machine for it.

Peter Ware
 
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