Why TS2009 if you have TC3

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Leo1704

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Dear friends,
presently I have both TC3 and TS2009. However, I am a fan of the British Rail system circa 1960 and am very happy just pottering about the Carlisle-Skipton line. I love the locos and rolling stock for this period. I have no need or desire (presently) for US or European trains or layouts.


My question is this, if I am happy with TC3, is there any reason why I should import all that stuff onto TS 2009 to run it on there? I know I can do this and how to do this.

* Are the graphics better on TS2009?
* Do things generally run more smoothly and quickly.
* Woud it be to my advantage to taks my TC3 stuff onto TS2009 to ensure that I stay up to date and get the benefit of all patches etc?

Are there any other reasons why I should go to TS 2009 or is TC3 simply TS 2009 for a specific time and place?

Many thanks
Leo.
 
Its up to you. Every version of Trainz has it's own feel. Which one do you like. Would you give up TC3 for better graphics or would you give up graphics for English routes and trains?

Hope this helps,
JRT
 
Well, thats not what I am asking. I could use both, but I want to concentrate my efforts on the one with the better graphics etc. If there is no difference, I will stick to TC3. But if there is a difference, then I will go to TS 2009. All I ask is for some definite info one way or other. ie, please be specific.

Thanks
Leo
 
Well, thats not what I am asking. I could use both, but I want to concentrate my efforts on the one with the better graphics etc. If there is no difference, I will stick to TC3. But if there is a difference, then I will go to TS 2009. All I ask is for some definite info one way or other. ie, please be specific.

Thanks
Leo
 
Like yourself my main interest is BR in the 1960s era. I have TRS2009 (and also 2006, which I no longer use). I am tempted to get TC3 just for the built in content and I would probably just import this to 2009.

That said my main interest is in route building and operations, so 2009 has some advantages over 2006 such as the 5m grid and personally I prefer the user interface (Surveyor) and CM2 of 2009 over the 2006 versions.

To answer you questions (my personal opinions....).

Q - * Are the graphics better on TS2009?

Potentially yes - 2009 has a new graphics engine, but there are still issues to be resolved with things like trees in 2009 "Native" mode (lots of posts on this subject).

Q - * Do things generally run more smoothly and quickly.

Again, potentially yes but "Faulty" content imported from earlier versions of Trainz can cause problems with this. Most "Faults" can be fixed however.

Q - * Woud it be to my advantage to taks my TC3 stuff onto TS2009 to ensure that I stay up to date and get the benefit of all patches etc?

At the moment 2009 is still in many ways a "work in progress" whereas TC3 is a stable version. We will see what happens when 2009 SP2 comes out...

In your situation (and since you already have 2009) I think I would take SuperFudd's advice and use both. For running your existing routes use TC3 but if developing new routes use 2009 so that they are "forwards" compatible. It will only be a relatively small amount of effort to import the TC3 specific content.

Hopefully, at some stage, Auran will bring out a BR Classics version of 2009 - then problem solved!

HTH,

Chris
 
2009 does not have a "new graphics engine". It's the same old game engine Auran has used for Trainz since conception. There is the potential for better looking textures in 2009, because it has been tweaked to allow for better practices in building objects. Some of the 2009 improvements come at a cost to other areas of 2009 performance, such as the alpha mapping issue.

Right now, with the content available 2009 is not living up to the hype. If it's graphics quality you want NOW....then simply throw a dart at any version of Trainz; they are all basically the same.
 
Thanks very much. This is really helpful. I think I will use TC for existing routes and, as I do want to amend some of those excellent routes, I will use 2009 for that purpose, and import content.
However, I do hope that 2009 gets improved. There are a lot of issues with it and it is a little annoying that you think you are buying state of the art, whereas you are really getting an unsatisfactory state of affairs.
I will persevere with 2009 for the "going forward" factor. I believe it is a great idea and, given I dont have space or time for a an actual model railway, Trainz meets a desire I have had since childhood to run a railway like this, albeit I only spend time on it pn quiet Sunday afternoons.
Many thanks again,
Leo.
 
Just a clarification. Euphod is correct in that 2009 does not have a "new graphics engine". What I meant to say was that 2009 had the newest (i.e. latest version of) the graphics engine.

But then I was in a rush, when posting, to go out and play with a "G scale" garden railway I helped to build - based on a 1930s period Swiss metre gauge line complete with Swiss lake and 10 foot high (concrete) mountains. With 6 stations it takes a team of about 9 people to operate it to a realistic timetable.
If only the real British weather could be controlled by a dial on the computer!!

Cheers

Chris
 
2009 continues to be tweaked, even now they are putting together the second patch for it, but for a sea change to occur, it's going to require hordes of creators to remake old items and make new ones as well. I don't see that happening.;)
 
Having had a fair bit of experience with TC3, I would say stick with that as it is the most stable version of TRS available. I've transfered some of my Aus and US routes from 04 and these look great. TRS2009 only has the possibility of ever being any better than TC3, and this may never fulfilled.
 
I know of several users that have imported TC3 content into TS2009 and they report that they see improvement in performance and greatly enjoy the increased draw distance. I suggest you visit either the TS2009 forum or the TC3 forum to here it first hand.

William
 
Sadly I agree with everything that has been said here:(
It dose seem that 09 will not be that big step forward, that we was hoping for, maybe in about two years time, all the creators will have sorted enough assets out to make it work the way we hoped it would. But by then TRSX will be out!

TRS2009 is a valiant effort, but at present there is too much going against it!

But if I where you I would put it in 09 anyway just so you could take out those ridiculous telegraph lines and replace them with some thing better.:D
 
Leo1704 said:
Dear friends,
presently I have both TC3 and TS2009. However, I am a fan of the British Rail system circa 1960 and am very happy just pottering about the Carlisle-Skipton line. I love the locos and rolling stock for this period. I have no need or desire (presently) for US or European trains or layouts.


My question is this, if I am happy with TC3, is there any reason why I should import all that stuff onto TS 2009 to run it on there? I know I can do this and how to do this.

* Are the graphics better on TS2009?
* Do things generally run more smoothly and quickly.
* Woud it be to my advantage to taks my TC3 stuff onto TS2009 to ensure that I stay up to date and get the benefit of all patches etc?

Are there any other reasons why I should go to TS 2009 or is TC3 simply TS 2009 for a specific time and place?

Many thanks
Leo.
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TRS2009 has all the bits of TC3 game engine but CM2 is better and more stable than CMP of TC3. It also has texture compression on the video card which basically quadruples your video card memory. It handles lod differently and more efficiently. It also makes better use of dual and quad core cpus.

Additionally if you run my TC3 wagons that use normal mapping then TRS2009 handles this both in a more efficient manner and has fewer undocumented features when using normal mapping.

There are a number of scenery objects that use normal mapping in the TRS2009 DLS area.

So my call would be use the TC3 content but run TRS2009. The TC3 updates are to the TC3 content and they all work in TRS2009. For the monet I'd run TRS2009 in compatibility mode which is the default.

Cheerio John
 
I was wondering pretty much the same thing. Think I will also stick with 2006/2004. I was able to borrow a Trainz 2009 disc from a buddy and try it out and I didn't see anything dramatic in it's operation. I did see a major improvement in smoothness and general operation, but I attribute that to my major upgrades in RAM, processors, and video card, rather than the game engine. Maybe if the price drops drastically some time in the future, I'll grab it. But not right now.

Dep
 
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If you run AI traffic, the Great Leap Forward with the SP1 for TRS2009 is that it shunts the AI off to the second core of a multi-core PC.

The difference in the smoothness of the AI is almost unbelievable. This alone makes TRS2009 much more attractive for running trainz than any earlier version, even though I do prefer to do route construction in '04.

Of course, if you don't run AI and don't have a multi-core PC ... .

Phil
 
Dep said:
I was wondering pretty much the same thing. Think I will also stick with 2006/2004. I was able to borrow a Trainz 2009 disc from a buddy and try it out and I didn't see anything dramatic in it's operation. I did see a major improvement in smoothness and general operation, but I attribute that to my major upgrades in RAM, processors, and video card, rather than the game engine. Maybe if the price drops drastically some time in the future, I'll grab it. But not right now.

Dep
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Which processor do you have?

Cheerio John
 
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