What's going on here then? - BR 9F Evening Star & Black Prince

[Tanker46]

any content that you pay for, allways will be yours.
any content that you GET with a PLUS subscription , will ONLY be available WHILE you have the subscription.

I do not see how people can get confused with this.

If you like some DLC content and can not afford it.....SO WHAT, GET OVER IT.

Just because you want it and N3V will not either...

1. give it to you.
2. allow to you to buy it.
3. let users who pay for subscriptions have it.

again, so what......

If you don't care what I'd say in response then why would I care what you think in the first place? You just like hearing yourself talk.

Nobody thinks the world owes them something here. People want to buy a product for a decided upon price and pay for it. Not buy an item and pay for it again and again and again. It ends up being 10 times the money spent than if I just went out and bought a OO Gauge model.

In my case the DLC I received with Platinum Edition came with the purchase. I actually paid money for a product and a portion of it was taken away. That's not how purchasing something works.

I'm completely in support of Payware Creators - these models aren't cheap and they need to make a living after all. But I'm extremely against the idea that in order to experience the game in any capacity you have to pay for it forever or lose everything.

We're consumers and we're rationally expressing our opinions on the matter. YOU'RE the one who screaming and crying like a child.

 

[wreeder]

Unfortunately I don't see any of those listed for Trainz22PE. I also purchased Trainz22PE.

I suspect he bought his TRS22 PE in September 2023 during the buy TRS22 PE and get a year of Trainz Plus deal. Therefore he had access to certain DLC packages as part of his subscription. I listed the ones I see in my TRS22 PE in post #23. Since the subscriptions from that deal didn't auto-renew when they expired after one year that would explain why those items became Payware not Active. I renewed my Trainz Plus Standard subscription so I still have those items working.

 

[Tanker46]

I suspect he bought his TRS22 PE in September 2023 during the buy TRS22 PE and get a year of Trainz Plus deal. Therefore he had access to certain DLC packages as part of his subscription. I listed the ones I see in my TRS22 PE in post #23. Since the subscriptions from that deal didn't auto-renew when they expired after one year

that would explain why those items became Payware not Active. I renewed my Trainz Plus Standard subscription so I still have those items working.

If they were originally just a Trainz Plus bonus then I have no choice but to retract my previous accusation, however had I been aware that I wasn't getting the DLC included but rather a lease on the DLC I would have just bought the standard edition instead. Regardless, thank you for that piece of information Wreeder.

 

[wreeder]

I speak from experience, I had TRS22 Standard and would ever so often pay for a month of Trainz Plus just to see what new features had been added. When that deal was announced I bought it, to me it seemed like getting TRS22 PE for half price and getting Trainz Plus Standard and an annual FTC too. I was confused when my TRS22 PE showed some DLC packages available for install even though I had not purchased them. At first I thought they were for preview only but they never when away. I'm glad I could shed some light on the issue for you.

 

[Paulsw2]

any content that you pay for, allways will be yours.
any content that you GET with a PLUS subscription , will ONLY be available WHILE you have the subscription.

I do not see how people can get confused with this.

If you like some DLC content and can not afford it.....SO WHAT, GET OVER IT.

Just because you want it and N3V will not either...

1. give it to you.
2. allow to you to buy it.
3. let users who pay for subscriptions have it.

again, so what......

The risk of this attitude (if N3V share it, which I hope they don't) is that people will simply up sticks and walk away. It should also be remembered that the DLC we're talking about here (such as Mk1 coaches and the HST) is pretty critical to anyone modelling British Rail from the 50s through to the 90s. These aren't 'nice to haves' they're actually quite essential. So if they're only available on subscription and not to the whole community as payware, that's quite a big problem.

Also, my main complaint here is about DLC that is only being made available to Gold members (as per the models at the top of this thread). I have a Plus subscription, but I can't buy the latest DLC. I'm left wondering what the point of the subscription is? Maybe I should 'get over' that as well!

 

[Forester1]

SO are these assets really PERMANENTLY only available to subscribers? I understand that subscribers get early access to some assets, but my understanding is that eventually these assets will become normal DLC. I have no idea what that timeline may be, and maybe they are creating assets EXCLUSIVE to subscribers, but then that means they are losing money from eventual sales to non-subscribers. There is also a risk that an enterprising creator could develop their own versions of these assets and either sell them, provide them as freeware on a third-party site, or even upload them to the DLS! So, I am wondering if eventually they aren't going to want to make these assets available for sale to the general population. There will no doubt continue to be new assets of various kinds for the subscribers to claim first, and post screenshots for droolers like me.

 

[Tanker46]

SO are these assets really PERMANENTLY only available to subscribers? I understand that subscribers get early access to some assets, but my understanding is that eventually these assets will become normal DLC. I have no idea what that timeline may be, and maybe they are creating assets EXCLUSIVE to subscribers, but then that means they are losing money from eventual sales to non-subscribers. There is also a risk that an enterprising creator could develop their own versions of these assets and either sell them, provide them as freeware on a third-party site, or even upload them to the DLS! So, I am wondering if eventually they aren't going to want to make these assets available for sale to the general population. There will no doubt continue to be new assets of various kinds for the subscribers to claim first, and post screenshots for droolers like me.

The thing I failed to notice until HPL pointed out that the HST Intercity Set has been out since Nov 22 and STILL isn't available for public purchase. Given that the average lifespan of each Trainz Game Version is roughly 2-3 years, that would mean that the DLC won't be readily available to non Plus users until the next iteration of the game has been published and the one everyone currently has is obsolete. While that may not be a problem for certain people, that essentially does indeed lock out a large majority of the playerbase from the newly published content and provide a sense of urgency for people to buy the subscription just to be able to acquire these models while they are still relevant and before N3V decides to possibly create even newer versions for the next iteration and so on and so forth. So, while you don't need a plus subscription to enjoy the newer versions of the game, you do need it in order to be able to enjoy any of the new content the game has to offer.

This isn't violating anything but it's going to create a serious divide between the playerbase and I can see it turning a LOT of people away from the game. Other game companies have also tried the same tactic, and it has exactly the same effect. I just really worry for the future of Trainz if that becomes the case.

In any case I'm going to stick to my usual modius operandi of commissioning payware and freeware for the community to use. Although the release schedules may be a little sporadic, content creators like Barney, Joeseph, Ed and Parker are people who I know for certain deliver amazing content that everyone can easily access.

 

[Paulsw2]

I think the HST is a case in point - it's iconic, has appeared in many guises over the last (nearly) 50 years and most UK Trainzers modelling modern image would want to acquire it. It could be a real money spinner for N3V bearing in mind they've got a pretty good, accurate model. But here's the thing - in two years it hasn't developed at all - it's only available to the same niche market of subscribers (rather than the whole community) and only available in two liveries. One of which - Blue Pullman - is totally niche and the other - BR blue and grey - is attractive but now sadly obsoleted by the adoption of a slightly different blue and grey for all other DLC BR items.

On the UK screenshots forum I asked Marky, creator of the brilliant 'Cornish Railways' route why he was using the old HST (that doesn't look anything like as good as the new version):

I'm using the old HST as it's the best version there is currently, and in the most recent liveries. The new one is only available for Trainz plus users or Gold / Silver memberships. Although I might buy the HST if it was sold as a DLC for Trainz 2019 users as well, like the Class 70 was.

As a route builder, you need to know your sessions will be available to the whole community. Which is why - as far as I'm aware - there are no sessions on the DLS that feature the 'new' HST.

 

[Davie_UCF]

Apologies for the bump, it's not been too long I hope?

I've recently returned to Trainz after it crossed my mind quite regularly then Trainz 22 Platinum was on sale on Steam recently.

I'm really confused by the content store and DLC situation, why do many of the DLC packages have a price on them when we can't buy them? Who is paying that price? If I want the A1 Tornado or Black Prince is the only way a Gold sub, then do I get access to everything? or do I have to pay for it? Then what happens when I don't renew, do I lose things i've paid for? I'm struggling to understand.

There's so many packs I would love and they're listed with a price, but how do I 'buy' them?

 

[KotangaGirl]

Then what happens when I don't renew, do I lose things i've paid for? I'm struggling to understand.

The assets that are only available if you have a subscription will disappear like the mist at dawn should you not renew your subscription. The only way to get them back is to start paying your subscription again.

 

[WestSideRailways]

As with everything, you get what you pay for....

The standard Edition is JUST that. Anything extra you have to pay for.
I agree that the items available for the subscription plans, should not be advertised on the Content page.
I also agree that the users on the Plus plans , should also get extra tit bits for being on those plans.

If you really want those content, you have a choice...

Pay for the plan or STOP WHINGING ....

 

[Davie_UCF]

So they're not really available for the price listed? If I go Gold, I get them for free as long as I sub? So what's the price for?

 

[marmalade32]

So they're not really available for the price listed? If I go Gold, I get them for free as long as I sub? So what's the price for?

gold is $14.99 USD A month from what I read on the trainz store

 

[amigacooke]

As with everything, you get what you pay for....

The standard Edition is JUST that. Anything extra you have to pay for.
I agree that the items available for the subscription plans, should not be advertised on the Content page.
I also agree that the users on the Plus plans , should also get extra tit bits for being on those plans.

If you really want those content, you have a choice...

Pay for the plan or STOP WHINGING ....

Or alternatively, not pay for the plan and be no worse off than you already are.

 

[KotangaGirl]

Pay for the plan or STOP WHINGING ....

There is no need to be rude to a forum member who was asking a legitimate question.

 

[Davie_UCF]

gold is $14.99 USD A month from what I read on the trainz store

I, for example mean here,

Tornado - The A1 Steam Locomotive

LNER Peppercorn Class A1 60163 Tornado As steam locomotives were withdrawn from the railways of the UK, steps were taken to spare many of them from the cutter's torch. Notable examples of LNER express locomotive designs entered preservation. Several A4 Pacifics were rescued including the world...

store.trainzportal.com

It says £20.32 for me, but says it's only available for Gold Plus. I thought all dlc was included with gold plus, so what's the price for?

 

[grazlash]

So they're not really available for the price listed? If I go Gold, I get them for free as long as I sub? So what's the price for?

I suspect the price is to satisfy the Australian Consumer Law, giving a basis value to which a percentage off discount may be applied in the future. It also allows N3V to legally state that you get $x in bonuses when you sign up for gold subscription.
If you want to be on the bleeding edge of Trainz and have access to everything, a gold subscription makes sense. If you prefer not to subscribe, that is your choice and you pay for just what you desire.

 

[pware]

I suspect the price is to satisfy the Australian Consumer Law

Or US laws since the Amazon servers that store the DLC are based in the US. That must make selling online extremely tricky and/or complex given the differences between commercial laws in different countries.

As a Gold member, I can download any DLC for free. For example the DLC Gold exclusive (for a few weeks anyway) "Tornado - The A1 Steam Locomotive" when viewed in my Content Store simply has an Install button, no $$ sign indicating that it has to be purchased.

 

[Davie_UCF]

As a Gold member, I can download any DLC for free. For example the DLC Gold exclusive (for a few weeks anyway) "Tornado - The A1 Steam Locomotive" when viewed in my Content Store simply has an Install button, no $$ sign indicating that it has to be purchased.

Do you get to keep any DLC when your sub runs out or would you have to then pay full price for everything?

I'm not grasping the paying potentially £100 a month year to access lots of DLC but then end up with nothing after a year unless you pay another £100, and I doubt there will be as much new DLC added the next year.

 

[grazlash]

Do you get to keep any DLC when your sub runs out or would you have to then pay full price for everything?

I'm not grasping the paying potentially £100 a month to access lots of DLC but then end up with nothing after a year unless you pay another £100, and I doubt there will be as much new DLC added the next year.

100 pounds a month? Geez the exchange rate in England has really tanked. US $15 a month is the going rate for a gold sub. (Thats about 1500 Dollaroos over here)
You lose access to anything you have not paid for if you stop subscribing