Trainz 2009 is Ready for you
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Tony_Hilliam
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Ah, the voice of doom 
I find it very interesting how some people prefer to look for possible negatives rather than try to help make things better.
Can I ask, Quiebus, why you would prefer to have your Beta Serial number published in a forum post and to dish out negative sentiment on Trainz 2009 during Beta, rather than participate in the Beta process and help us make the product better?
One possible solution is that you are so happy with your current version of Trainz that you think there is no way it could ever be improved upon. I feel that there will never be a time where Trainz cannot be further improved.
You indicate 2006 is the defining yardstick of future performance. Does experience count for nothing? What do you think our motivation might be to try and make an inferior product? I would love to hear why you think we wouldn't want Trainz 2009 to be the best ever version of Trainz, or, for that matter, why you think it won't be.
Hopefully my words will translate well and you will realize that I am not provoking argument but rather promoting a discussion to understand your motivations in making the comments you have made.
Tony
I find it very interesting how some people prefer to look for possible negatives rather than try to help make things better.
Can I ask, Quiebus, why you would prefer to have your Beta Serial number published in a forum post and to dish out negative sentiment on Trainz 2009 during Beta, rather than participate in the Beta process and help us make the product better?
One possible solution is that you are so happy with your current version of Trainz that you think there is no way it could ever be improved upon. I feel that there will never be a time where Trainz cannot be further improved.
You indicate 2006 is the defining yardstick of future performance. Does experience count for nothing? What do you think our motivation might be to try and make an inferior product? I would love to hear why you think we wouldn't want Trainz 2009 to be the best ever version of Trainz, or, for that matter, why you think it won't be.
Hopefully my words will translate well and you will realize that I am not provoking argument but rather promoting a discussion to understand your motivations in making the comments you have made.
Tony
A big Yeh!for TS2009, as a long time end user of Trainz, I say with authority that Trainz gets better and betterTrainz 2009 is Ready for you with its new features and graphics but still is easy to use and works well and is still compatible with all trainz software's. How do you feel about it?
.DaveW
Having not found Trainz until 2004 came out, I find all the negative attitude about 2009 unfair...I have had Trainz 2004, 2006 and TC....I have preordered 2009 and feel great about what I see in the beta....I have been a beta tester for other products and find the 2009 beta quite near ready....sure it will need improvements to correct some errors, but so does other beta software....I like what I see as far as improvements and I am sure before 2009 is released most of the bugs will be fixed.....nothing is perfect, but that can be fixed....keep up the good work guys.....
John
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thallium1000
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TC and 06 content in 09
Has anyone with the beta seen if the TC items and 06 items work side by side in the game? I was wondering how easy it is to get previous games content to work in 09.
Has anyone with the beta seen if the TC items and 06 items work side by side in the game? I was wondering how easy it is to get previous games content to work in 09.
Ah, the voice of doom
I find it very interesting how some people prefer to look for possible negatives rather than try to help make things better.
Can I ask, Quiebus, why you would prefer to have your Beta Serial number published in a forum post and to dish out negative sentiment on Trainz 2009 during Beta, rather than participate in the Beta process and help us make the product better?
One possible solution is that you are so happy with your current version of Trainz that you think there is no way it could ever be improved upon. I feel that there will never be a time where Trainz cannot be further improved.
You indicate 2006 is the defining yardstick of future performance. Does experience count for nothing? What do you think our motivation might be to try and make an inferior product? I would love to hear why you think we wouldn't want Trainz 2009 to be the best ever version of Trainz, or, for that matter, why you think it won't be.
Hopefully my words will translate well and you will realize that I am not provoking argument but rather promoting a discussion to understand your motivations in making the comments you have made.
Tony
Pretty simple Tonny. First, because I don't believe the way YOU are handling the company is the right way for it to prosper after you lost 13 million on Fury ... Auran should have got rid of you. Secondly I don't believe that you honour your customers by dishing a game four months after its release and refuse to hand those customers the repairs it needs. Thirdly, because I don't believe you can build a good simulator within a few months as your are so desperately trying to prove with this TRS2004 upgrade ... because THAT is what this is. Not a new simulator but an upgrade for which you ask two times an amount of money for mostly the same old stuff that was available five years ago. Fourth, because splitting up the simulator in two will NOT bring everybody on the same platform you so desperately want us to believe. Fifth, the in-game browser thing is un-needed and for me is this "feature" alone prove enough that YOU decide what is best for the game and not your customers. The first step Auran should take in gaining my confidence is sending you home. I am all for second chances in life ... I have had a few myself being a cancer survivor for instance, but you really need to learn to become a bit more humble after your disastrous Fury project. Your word just doesn't mean a lot in that regard. Do you want me to continue?
Hmmm....I thought I smelled popcorn. But the quote above now has the distinct odor of some banned users. Especially the spelling of...TONNY.
Let's see.... was it..Remillxxxxx or Zwaxxxxxxxx.
Sending $1.00 to Chereck and waiting for the show to begin.
Have fun,
Hi thallium,
I have assets from trs2004,trs2006 and TC in an extensive beta Ts 2009 layout, except for a few minor 'alpha' problems with some splines and hicupps produced by known bugs it all exists well together. Sound is good, frame rates are great.
DaveW
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Tony_Hilliam
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Ah well, since people have popcorn and soda ready and you gave me a number of reasons for your stance on 2009, I'll give you some responses Qieubus.
And getting rid of me is going to be really hard since I happen to be the major shareholder of Auran
With a pre-order discount of 20% on TEE it's basically the same price as one full priced release.
2009 does have all the previously releasd content but it also has features. Are you assuming that TEE has no new content?
You don't need to trust my word, but instead become involved in the Beta test, give feedback and see what happens. Instead you choose to have your Beta serial number published on these forums. I can only assume that you know Remilliard (aka Zwabbaraar) who also has some major issues with my "word". Perhaps the two of you need to consider your motivations for staying around these forums.
I also notice that you have never registered a version of Trainz so it's interesting that you have such stong opinions about a product when you have never used the download station or, for as much as we know, purchased a copy of the game.
In summary, you feel that because Fury failed and I'm still in charge, TS2009 will fail too. I beg to differ and one of us wil be right
Tony
Fury was a different time and place with different objectives. I have admitted in the past that as CEO I was ultimately responsible. Trainz 2009 couldn't be more different to Fury in terms of scale and length of development. Trainz has been "in development" since 2000 and has a large customer base with detailed knowledge of what they'd like improved in their rail simulator of choice.
And getting rid of me is going to be really hard since I happen to be the major shareholder of Auran
I'm not sure what you're referring to, but I believe TS2009 is the version that will give customers everything they want and need. We are building upon a very solid base and will be releasing regular free updates on our way to making Trainz 2010 and beyond.
I totally agree that a few months just isn't enough to build a simulator from scratch. But we've had 3 years since 2006 was released and TS2009 incorporates not just the first 5 years development but alos the last 3 years of Classics features. I'm not sure why you've singled out 2009 as an upgrade to 2004 since it is also an update to Trainz V1, V1.3, UTC, 2006, TC1,2&3. Just like Fifa (the biggest selling franchise of them all) we iterate and improve every year.
Actually $30 + $30 = $60 which is 20% more than $50 not double (all major releases have been $50 since 2001).
With a pre-order discount of 20% on TEE it's basically the same price as one full priced release.
2009 does have all the previously releasd content but it also has features. Are you assuming that TEE has no new content?
We're really only splitting up the release of 2009 into two parts. Once TEE is out everyone is really on the same platform. To get new content you really need the new platform and so that's why we're releasing WBE months before TEE.
The in-game browser has had less than one person for less than half the development cycle. This makes it less than 10% of the development effort. You are right that I do decide what goes in or not, but you're wrong about the customers having no say in the matter. There are many threads involving customer input into the design features and more detailed terrain and texturing was far and away the major feture request.
It doesn't sound like you're prepared to give me a second chance at all. Your mind is made up that 2009 will be a disaster and it is all down to my handling of Fury. I can't figure out that logic at all. It's not like Fury is the first MMO to go down - Hellgate London, made by the team that made Diablo II and with a rumored $25M marketing budget also failed in the same space of time. Does that make their CEO Bill Roper your enemy too?
You don't need to trust my word, but instead become involved in the Beta test, give feedback and see what happens. Instead you choose to have your Beta serial number published on these forums. I can only assume that you know Remilliard (aka Zwabbaraar) who also has some major issues with my "word". Perhaps the two of you need to consider your motivations for staying around these forums.
I also notice that you have never registered a version of Trainz so it's interesting that you have such stong opinions about a product when you have never used the download station or, for as much as we know, purchased a copy of the game.
If you feel you have something constructive to say, then by all means continue. If you wish to question my integrity further then I'm not interesting in listening.
In summary, you feel that because Fury failed and I'm still in charge, TS2009 will fail too. I beg to differ and one of us wil be right
Tony
From what I have seen with 09 so far, it is going to be far better than 06 and TC. The capabilities of the new code are amazing to say the least.
There is one line in your post Tony that I can't quite figure out.
I'm not trying to be derogatory at all. However, as much as I support you guys on 09, did you really think this line through ? What customers are you referring to ? New customers ? Customers that don't create anything ? Customers who could care less about building routes ?
If the answer is new customers then yes it probably will provide them with everything they want or need. If it's past customers then no it probably will not. There are two sides to every coin and that is exactly the way it will work.
As I will still purchase it (directly from Auran as always), 09 will not give me everything I want or need. I won't go into why because my wants and needs have been repeated hundreds of times here and at the dev site. Not by me of course but rather from many others that think on the lines that I do.
For what it's worth to those reading, many of the bugs that have been reported on the "bug site" aren't even bugs. Many of them are feature requests or people just wanting something changed for "the look". Or people reporting bugs about incomplete features. These aren't bugs. The "bug reporting" is for reporting actual bugs. The dev site is where people should post for feature requests and the like.
There is one line in your post Tony that I can't quite figure out.
I'm not trying to be derogatory at all. However, as much as I support you guys on 09, did you really think this line through ? What customers are you referring to ? New customers ? Customers that don't create anything ? Customers who could care less about building routes ?
If the answer is new customers then yes it probably will provide them with everything they want or need. If it's past customers then no it probably will not. There are two sides to every coin and that is exactly the way it will work.
As I will still purchase it (directly from Auran as always), 09 will not give me everything I want or need. I won't go into why because my wants and needs have been repeated hundreds of times here and at the dev site. Not by me of course but rather from many others that think on the lines that I do.
For what it's worth to those reading, many of the bugs that have been reported on the "bug site" aren't even bugs. Many of them are feature requests or people just wanting something changed for "the look". Or people reporting bugs about incomplete features. These aren't bugs. The "bug reporting" is for reporting actual bugs. The dev site is where people should post for feature requests and the like.
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Dear Mr. Hilliam,
Please excuse my formality in addressing you as Mr. Hilliam, but I do not know you personally, and I defer to address you properly as the CEO of a Corporation.
As you can see by my sig....I have been a Trainz user for many years.
Certainly over the years I have had many hours of playing Trainz and have enjoyed the experience immensely.
The fact that there are people in our world that never seem to be happy with anything or anyone is sad, but a fact of life that we all must deal with.
I applaud your taking the time and effort to address someone in this thread, but I am afraid that your comments may be wasted and fall on deaf ears with regard to this individual.
Again, thank you for your reply and i look forward to many more years playing the next and future versions of the Trainz product from your company, Auran.
Respectfully,
Ron
Please excuse my formality in addressing you as Mr. Hilliam, but I do not know you personally, and I defer to address you properly as the CEO of a Corporation.
As you can see by my sig....I have been a Trainz user for many years.
Certainly over the years I have had many hours of playing Trainz and have enjoyed the experience immensely.
The fact that there are people in our world that never seem to be happy with anything or anyone is sad, but a fact of life that we all must deal with.
I applaud your taking the time and effort to address someone in this thread, but I am afraid that your comments may be wasted and fall on deaf ears with regard to this individual.
Again, thank you for your reply and i look forward to many more years playing the next and future versions of the Trainz product from your company, Auran.
Respectfully,
Ron
Tony_Hilliam
Trainz Plus - enjoy Trainz from just 20 cents a da
Fair point Meridious. No version of Trainz will ever give everyone what they want. Let me have another go at that phrase:
I believe TS2009 is the version that will give customers their best Trainz experience yet.
Is that better
Dear Mr Hilliam
I find it touching that you should even reply to the ranting of such an obvious Troll as that Quiebicus or whatever his handle is! Fury is buried in the past - lessons have been learned - hopefully the employees hurt at the time have found new jobs and recovered their livelihoods.
All I know is that Auran Trainz has given me immense pleasure, and brought thousands of people around this planet together with a common interest - probably more so than any other internet activity - with the Trainz Community!
I am more than willing to try out this new TRS2009, and to support your company's efforts. The BETA shows me, so far, improvements on frame rates and draw distances and I am suitably impressed. I've reported a CMP2 bug, but I believe that is now fixed in the "Gold" version so I think we're in for exciting times ahead!
.........and if TRS2009 doesn't do it for me, well TC3 will! You won't find me crying in my beer over a lost GBP19.99 - it's a small price to pay for a company that has given me so very, very much pleasure!
Wishing you all the best
Gratefully Yours
Ian
I find it touching that you should even reply to the ranting of such an obvious Troll as that Quiebicus or whatever his handle is! Fury is buried in the past - lessons have been learned - hopefully the employees hurt at the time have found new jobs and recovered their livelihoods.
All I know is that Auran Trainz has given me immense pleasure, and brought thousands of people around this planet together with a common interest - probably more so than any other internet activity - with the Trainz Community!
I am more than willing to try out this new TRS2009, and to support your company's efforts. The BETA shows me, so far, improvements on frame rates and draw distances and I am suitably impressed. I've reported a CMP2 bug, but I believe that is now fixed in the "Gold" version so I think we're in for exciting times ahead!
.........and if TRS2009 doesn't do it for me, well TC3 will! You won't find me crying in my beer over a lost GBP19.99 - it's a small price to pay for a company that has given me so very, very much pleasure!
Wishing you all the best
Gratefully Yours
Ian
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