There's no way this ran on the DRG&W.

The USA made them bigger, not better.
That's why when they needed a freight loco in the middle east during WW2, they used the Stanier 8F, and when South Africa needed a heavy hauler, they used a 'Garratt' loco built by 'Beyer, Peacock & Co.' (also used by N.Z. railways & Tasmanian Railways)

American trains can often be in excess of a mile long, but they need 3 or 4 loco's to pull them, then they never travel at much more than 20 MPH. :hehe:
 
That engine was a gift to the then-D&RG (not western, yet) Railroad from a Duke over in either Great Britain or Ireland. :D
 
BLACKWATCH said:
American trains can often be in excess of a mile long, but they need 3 or 4 loco's to pull them, then they never travel at much more than 20 MPH. :hehe:
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Yea. It's about haulage, NOT speed. However, I challenge you to see a Class I railroad's unit-coal trains or "Z trains" (Shipping containers) on the main lines out here. They will get up to 60mph + on some occasions. It's a sight to behold. 60 mph might not seem fast, but I assure, given the size and strength of the train, it's still impressive for freight.
 
I'd like to see a 9F pull 5 miles of frieght up Sherman Hill...steam can do it here, and at 30-40mph too!
 
BLACKWATCH said:
The USA made them bigger, not better.
That's why when they needed a freight loco in the middle east during WW2, they used the Stanier 8F, and when South Africa needed a heavy hauler, they used a 'Garratt' loco built by 'Beyer, Peacock & Co.' (also used by N.Z. railways & Tasmanian Railways)

American trains can often be in excess of a mile long, but they need 3 or 4 loco's to pull them, then they never travel at much more than 20 MPH. :hehe:
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...Beg Pardon? :/

Firstly, tons of Baldwin 2-8-0s and etc went to both places you mentioned and served dutifully on many different railroads. c:

Secondly, our trains almost always get above 20mph. Hell, any freight trains with Multiple units easily can get up to 60mph. It depends on the gearing the Locomotives have too. Passenger units do 80+. Freight units are designed to pull.


American Trains are bigger, and may look 'ugly', but at least they get the job done, hauling more, and making more money doing so.




...And One more thing - At least our trains aren't restricted by a pansy Loading gauge... :p
 
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American trains can often be in excess of a mile long, but they need 3 or 4 loco's to pull them, then they never travel at much more than 20 MPH. :hehe:
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I'd like to see 3 or 4 British locos on the same train...

Can you imagine the train rolling back downgrade at 80 MPH? :hehe:

And we've never wasted money streamlining freight engines...
 
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To quote Winston Churchill, "America and England are two nations divided by a common language" - is this Trains(z)???? :D :wave: .
 
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I'd like to see a 9F pull 5 miles of frieght up Sherman Hill...steam can do it here, and at 30-40mph too!
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Using how many loco's ? ;)

I often watch the freight movements through Roanoke, so have seen a few long trains pulling through there at a crawl.
But I'd like to see an American engine pull 5 miles of freight up to Shap summit. :D
 
talk to the UP and their 4-8-8-4 big boys, they can do it. they eat stainer 8Fs for breakfast.

And YES, i know a bullied pacific is a passenger engine...i'm not that stupid, but they still don't sit well with me. talk to me when they get a Pennsy Wedge nose like those on a T-1 duplex.
 
sawyer811 said:
talk to the UP and their 4-8-8-4 big boys, they can do it. they eat stainer 8Fs for breakfast.

And YES, i know a bullied pacific is a passenger engine...i'm not that stupid, but they still don't sit well with me. talk to me when they get a Pennsy Wedge nose like those on a T-1 duplex.
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Bigger country isn't it? That would be why.. but still does not mean the USA has done it better in any way.
 
hey, i'll say this, we built what we needed for this country, you guys built what you needed for yours. here we needed heavy engines for long line hauls. over there that wasn't as much of a problem, which is problably why nothing bigger than a 4-6-2 or a 2-8-0 was really ever needed there.

still, it doesn't sit well with a yank like me to see an 0-6-0 tender engine pulling main line trains. but it's just what i'm used to.
 
Both countries have developed locos that have adequately performed the tasks they were built for.
This thread seems to be turning into a "mine is bigger than yours..." war.
Lets return to the original post and have more info on the loco in question. It could be enlightening to see how much info is available.
 
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I often watch the freight movements through Roanoke, so have seen a few long trains pulling through there at a crawl.
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A you're in coal drag country... But right there in Roanoke, you have two of the most advanced locomotives of the steam era. The N&W J 4-8-4, high speed passenger locomotive capable of high speed passenger service and also could lug large trains up the mountain grades while doing so. The N&W A 2-6-6-4 capable of pulling fast freights and passenger varnish at speed.

Shoot my midsize 2-8-0, Southern Ks-1 630, could out pull your little 8F's easy at 40-50mph.

The assumption that all American trains are big and beefy is not so, look at Southern, the Nickel Plate, Santa Fe, and SP, plus tons of others. Many had very efficient steamers capable of high tractive effort output at high speeds with great steaming qualities. Diesels here are the same way.
 
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A rather silly comment from simulatortrain thinking that only American locos could do the job? Blackwatch is right in saying that big is not always better although that tends to be the long standing thinking across there. Perhaps being such a big country the attitude pervades in much? Sounds a bit arrogant to me. As for the dig at not needing to streamline maybe it was a case of losing the art of improving how locos looked re the decline of rail over the pond? Engines tend to look clunky. Over here in the land that created trains our system is still essentially virtually all passenger with a small goods side whereas sadly across the water that has been essentially lost. You can see that here on Trainz where the passenger side looms large while in the US it is freight that is king.
 
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