Taking on coal & water

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crankmetal

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My route requires steam locos to take on coal & water or they eventually "run out of steam".

My problem is that the steam filling station or a multiple industry basic (set up with only water and coal) fill up the engines / tenders OK, but also fill up any empty wagons!

For example I use NSW S trucks for woodchips and I dont want them filled up with coal. I dont want the complication of uncoupling the locos before they fill up.

Any clever solutions??
 
Well sort of...

You'll find that steam locos require far more water than coal. It is possible to run some of the longer routes with just one tender load of coal. So why bother putting coaling facilities all over the place? Just make sure you have an adequate number of water stands/tanks and just have coaling facilities at terminals or depots where the loco will be detached from its train. This gets round your problem quite well as well as realistically.




Cheers

Nix
 
While in Surveys, you should be able to click the question mark thingy, pull up your wagon, and turn off the product you don't want to load.;)
 
Yep, except that you cant do that with the NSW S trucks. You cant turn off the coal loading. I have got round the problem by uncloupling the engine, refilling and re-connecting. Pity there isnt a reversal of UNCOUPLEZ. You need to specify the wagon to reconnect to.
 
crankmetal said:
I have got round the problem by uncloupling the engine, refilling and re-connecting. Pity there isnt a reversal of UNCOUPLEZ. You need to specify the wagon to reconnect to.
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There is a way to reverse the uncouplez command. you can connect to any rolling stock item with the "couple at trackmark" command by marzipan
kuid2 57145 81100 1. Simple sequence of commands :- drive to trackmark xx, stop train, uncouplez, drive to steam filling station, load, couple at trackmark xx, continue journey. To make it more realistic I add a wait 5 second command after each stop or direction change.

Hope this helps,
Bill69
 
Great! it works fine. The only problem I had was the need to insert a 10sec wait before the uncouplez command, otherwise the wagons kept rolling and caused all sorts of problems. I guess thats what you meant by STOP TRAIN :)
 
crankmetal said:
Great! it works fine. The only problem I had was the need to insert a 10sec wait before the uncouplez command, otherwise the wagons kept rolling and caused all sorts of problems. I guess thats what you meant by STOP TRAIN :)
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Hi crankmetal,

Yep that's right, sometimes the stoptrain command skips past before the train acctually comes to a halt, that's one reason I use the wait command. Glad to be of some help.

Cheers,
Bill69
 
While I've seen many water cranes/columns alongside running lines, the majority of coal stages were well inside loco depots/MPD or on dedicated loco tracks (in the case of small termini or yards). Also in many parts of the world, fuel oil was also a common steam loco fuel and refueling with either coal or oil on a main line takes time (blocking a running line is something to be avoided) and can be rather messy. With locos using more water than fuel meant that re-watering a loco on the main line was just seen as a necessary evil...

Here in Victoria in the days of steam, if a loco needed more coal while on a main-line run, it would be generally have been replaced by a fresh fully-loaded locomotive at the next station with a loco depot instead of having the train engine uncouple, refuel and re-join the train. The replacement option was a lot faster than refueling.

However, I do believe that some coal loaders in Trainz are set up to only load tank locos or tenders and won't reload wagons. I can't remember which off-hand, I'm afraid...

Cheers,
Dreadnought1
 
Steam loco refueling

Hi Dreadnaught1,

My method for refueling steam locos does not always apply on a main line. I have a layout with a fairly long coal run, mine to powerstation & return to mine about 110 miles. The coal mine is a dead end track and though the tender is replenished with coal every time I also have to fill the tender with water. I have quite a long list of commands to acheive this under AI control. It involves the train loading at the mine, backing up to a trackmark to clear the runaround loop points, going forward to near the buffer, changing tracks to a turning Y (in Trs2004) driving to a turntable and turning around in(TRS2006) then stopping at a watertank and filling with water then coupling to the wagons at the trackmark the train was backed up to, then starting the next run to the power station. I also have other trains running under AI control at the same time and have left the session running all night to see if there was any problems, and found the session still running with no problems in the morning.
Even with Alastair driving.

Cheers,
Bill69
 
by using the instantloadlocos command you don't need to uncouple just 'drive to ---' instant load---'followed by your next command.
 
Hi fran1,

Yes I know about the instant load locos command but it is more satisfying to fill with water the way it would be done in real life.

Cheers,
Bill69
 
in full agreement Bill, but the original thread was his wagons were also filling as well. just one idea to solve it.
I use drive to t/mark,uncouplez- fill at ---- couple at t/mark. only problem being you must use either single or double headed but not a mix.
 
Hi fran1,
Yes true, btw with some steam locos, not all, I find I have to use the uncouple from 1 command because some uncouple from the tender using the ucouplez command. Have you found this?

Cheers,
Bill69
 
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