Searching for more info on the PLL...

[gp792]

Hi all,

ever since hearing about the PLL, I have been trying to search for more information about this interesting railway line. However, I can't seem to find too much information about the Shelton Steelworks or the route itself. Is there any more sites that talk about the PLL?

Thanks.

 

[JCitron]

What is the PLL? The initials are too vague and difficult to search.

John

 

[gp792]

What is the PLL? The initials are too vague and difficult to search.

John

The Potteries Loop Line. There is a thread about the route for Trainz in the Settle & Carlisle section of the forum.

 

[JCitron]

Thanks.

Being from the US, I thought your were looking for something like the Pittsburg and Lancaster or some other unknown route.

John

 

[gp792]

Thanks.

Being from the US, I thought your were looking for something like the Pittsburg and Lancaster or some other unknown route.

John

Sorry if I caused any confusion, I should have made the thread title a little less vague. I happen to be from the US as well. I just prefer to run British trains and look up information about them.

 

[AndrewH]

If you type 'potteries loop line' in google you will get a heap of links. There is also a definitive book of that title by Allan C Baker but it is now out of print, rare and expensive.
You made an enquiry about Shelton on a parallel thread which I responded to yesterday.

 

[gp792]

If you type 'potteries loop line' in google you will get a heap of links. There is also a definitive book of that title by Allan C Baker but it is now out of print, rare and expensive.
You made an enquiry about Shelton on a parallel thread which I responded to yesterday.

Yes, I remember you mentioning that book the other day. I'll probably end up purchasing it sometime in the future. With Google, I've only managed to find one decent site, which has quite a bit of information. The reason I was asking for more resources, is to keep myself occupied until the Potteries Loop Line comes out for Trainz. As you guys cannot say too much about the route, I thought it would be best to learn more about the prototype.

Thanks

 

[gp792]

Regarding the locomotives that ran on the Potteries Loop Line, was the Stanier 4P capable of running through Hanley, or was the curve too sharp? I was just wondering about that, since Mk1's were not allowed through Hanley.

 

[AndrewH]

The 4P 2-6-4 tanks and 4F 0-6-0s were responsible for most of the traffic from the 1930s up to the end of steam services. 5MT 4-6-0s were not allowed through Hanley until the 1960s but only handled some of the goods traffic.

 

[JCitron]

In case anyone is interested on the line in question, here's an interesting link.

http://www.thepotteries.org/loop_line/index.htm

It's sad to see a line like this get ripped up, but at least we can relive the experience of it in operation while in Trainz.

John

 

[gp792]

OK, now I know that there was a wide variety of engines and rolling stock on this railway line at one point in time.

So, let's see... From the information I have found: Fowler 4F's and Stanier 4P's were on the Potteries Loop Line in the 1930's. Then, of course there were Private Owner engines, like the Peckett & Sons OX4, and a crane tank engine named "Dubsy". If I'm correct the Fowler 4P was also on the line, Fowler 3F Jinty 0-6-0's, and LMS coaching stock. Then, there were rectangular tank wagons for tar, and most likely, slag and ingot cars, since there was a Steelworks nearby. However, I think I might be missing a few...

 

[AndrewH]

PLL will contain quite a few more surprises but we can't reveal all before release, can we?

 

[clam1952]

Lot of Coal mines around that area as well. Little more info here http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/DATE-1930s-1960s-PLACE-North-Staffs/story-12486258-detail/story.html

 

[gp792]

Lot of Coal mines around that area as well. Little more info here http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/DATE-1930s-1960s-PLACE-North-Staffs/story-12486258-detail/story.html

Thanks Malc!

Unfortunately the pictures are fuzzy, did you have that problem too?

 

[clam1952]

Thanks Malc!

Unfortunately the pictures are fuzzy, did you have that problem too?

Yes probably scans from old newspapers.

 

[gp792]

Yes probably scans from old newspapers.

Hmm, that's kind of neat. Thanks again for the link.

 

[teddytoot]

Yes they are scans from The Sentinel as I have the supplements that some of them were in.

 

[gp792]

PLL will contain quite a few more surprises but we can't reveal all before release, can we?

With all due respect, I was not inquiring about the DLC. I merely am interested in the prototype. Thank you.

 

[gp792]

OK, searched for more sites and came up empty-handed. So, is there any more sites with information, like for example: pictures, details, etc. about the locomotives themselves? Once again, I am NOT asking about the DLC, nor its release date. Thanks.

 

[AndrewH]

What you are trying to find is not easy on the web. As an alternative there are quite a lot of books about the North Staffordshire Railway and the Potteries Loop Line. However most of these are out of print and even if you can find them they will require financial outlay.

On another thread I have already posted details of a book which would provide a great deal of material on the industrial locomotives used in the area. I believe this book can be sourced 2nd hand via Amazon. If you are really interested in buying other books which are relevant to the subject I can provide you with a list of suitable publications. However, this information is at my home and I am away from there for the next 4 weeks.