SD70MAC Question

[mikebwolf123]

I have a question regarding SD70MAC's for Trainz. I've always wondered why there haven't been any freeware SD70MAC's for Trainz 2010, or any newer version of Trainz. I've seen a bunch on Jointed Rail and other sites that are payware.

Even the DLS has little to no SD70MAC's to download. So my question is: Are there any freeware SD70MAC's available to download for a newer version of Trainz (TS2009, TS2010, TS2012)? Or will there at least be any freeware MAC's to download in the future? Thanks.

 

[GN1996]

Hopefully there will be one soon...

 

[norfolksouthern37]

long as you dont mind gettin what you paid for!

 

[NickyVeee]

I've always wondered why there haven't been any freeware SD70MAC's for Trainz 2010

Spoiler alert, you can't get everything you want in life...for free. Sorry.

 

[Dermmy]

Hi mikebwolf123. With just 10 posts I hope you don't mind me thinking of you as a relative 'newbie' and treating your query with the respect it deserves.

Once upon a time Trainz was an open friendly community full of good cheer and truly good freeware models. As time has passed though much of the good cheer has vanished, to be replaced by the sort of sarcasm witnessed above. Unfortunately most most of the good freeware models are disappearing also, to be replaced with Payware.

If I pointed out that the authors of the sarcasm are representatives of the authors of the Payware, you might have a clearer picture of what's going on.

Perhaps GN1996 is right and someone will produce (or upgrade) an SD70MAC and release it to the community with the sort of open, friendly generosity we used to take so much for granted. Perhaps not.

But I sincerely hope we haven't decended to "How dare you ask for freeware" which is pretty much what you got. You deserved better....

 

[norfolksouthern37]

i completely disagree Andy. you want to paint us out to be like some anti-freeware nazis and that just isn't true. it says a lot when the only recognition you get is for being a big meanie payware creator with all of the hundreds of free items myself and the JR team have created, including items made specifically for YOU, that you purposely fail to recognize, and that i will be releasing very soon FOR FREE as they were intended.

the fact is, he recognized where to get the requested items, but wishes them to be freeware. that is fine, nothing at all wrong with that. but there is also nothing wrong with making the comment that you get what you pay for, cause you wont get anything that comes close. you might fill a void with a reasonable item or two. i cannot speak for NickyVeee but i can tell you right now, there was no sarcasm intended in my post above.

 

[deadpoolmx55]

Once upon a time Trainz was an open friendly community full of good cheer and truly good freeware models. As time has passed though much of the good cheer has vanished, to be replaced by the sort of sarcasm witnessed above (because of people pestering and annoying the freeware creators ie gimmepigs). Unfortunately most most of the good freeware models are disappearing also (because of people pestering and annoying the freeware creators ie gimmepigs), to be replaced with Payware.
and they all lived unhappily ever after....the end.

 

[NickyVeee]

i cannot speak for NickyVeee but i can tell you right now, there was no sarcasm intended in my post above.

No it's OK, you can speak for me. Everyone else seems to be doing it right now.

Either way, there is a point that's being missed here. Rolling stock takes a long time to create, especially that of payware caliber, where you have to have a lot of different features. Justin could spend weeks (if not months) working on a single locomotive, to make sure everything is right. So should he not expect compensation for that?

That is a clear front-runner reason as to why you don't see a freeware SD70MAC, it takes time and work. People who create freeware have priorities for their own content and wants, then they will try to take care of the demand of others. Yes maybe at some point, someone will create one, but don't hold your breath. I've learned if you want something in this game to be free, you generally have to create it yourself.

And for the record, I never remember a friendly community, especially not back in 2004 when I joined with my old account. I remember a somewhat helpful community, but I got razzed for being a newbie much like everyone else. I was met with a lot of "sarcasm", displaced anger, bullying, etc. And instead of sitting around and taking it, I went and started working on my own stuff...I didn't wait and hope that someone would create it for me.

There is still some good freeware around, but with the loss of some quality freeware creators and the growth of a community reliant on them, things are starting to falter in the ways of freeware. Workmanship and quality has dropped off to a big low from what I've witnessed, and I don't see it getting any better since people keep trying to cut corners with their freeware.

Sorry for the elongated message, and I apologize for the sarcastic response mikebwolf.

 

[matruck]

Hi mikebwolf123. With just 10 posts I hope you don't mind me thinking of you as a relative 'newbie' and treating your query with the respect it deserves.

Once upon a time Trainz was an open friendly community full of good cheer and truly good freeware models. As time has passed though much of the good cheer has vanished, to be replaced by the sort of sarcasm witnessed above. Unfortunately most most of the good freeware models are disappearing also, to be replaced with Payware.

If I pointed out that the authors of the sarcasm are representatives of the authors of the Payware, you might have a clearer picture of what's going on.

Perhaps GN1996 is right and someone will produce (or upgrade) an SD70MAC and release it to the community with the sort of open, friendly generosity we used to take so much for granted. Perhaps not.

But I sincerely hope we haven't decended to "How dare you ask for freeware" which is pretty much what you got. You deserved better....

Can't believe you'd sink to this Andy i really can't and after all that has been done for you by this Team.

 

[slabay]

Whoa, Nellie!!! Let's get this back on track!!!

Frank McCall has some really good SD70's for free! Go to West Coast Trains & Planes. They're going to be faulty in TS10. There are about a bazillion threads on this forum about how to fix them though. Use the search tool at the top of the page or search Google.

 

[jointedrail]

Funny thing is about freeware is take a peek at our freeware section and take a count. Then drop over to our payware section and take a count over there too. Looks almost even to me, and in fact when we're done with all these NEW freeware releases our freeware section will contain much more content than our payware section. Funny thing is Andy, we spent months creating FREEWARE for YOU to use on YOUR routes. Now it seems you have tried to erase all history of JR ever being a part of your routes, that's fine too! Why don't you tell them the whole story Andy, let's hear how a group of guys spent months making you stuff to give away for free and then you turned around and dropped them like a ton of bricks because they didn't reply to you right away. I have had ENOUGH of your cry baby attitude. You now all of a sudden HATE high poly this or high poly that.... Funny judging by all of your screenshots that you still can't get all of the JR content out of seems to me polys aren't the issue...

YOU are what's wrong! You didn't get what you wanted so you took your toys, made a big crybaby post about how everyone hacked you (must have been us right?????) and then stormed off like a little drama queen. Sorry pal I'm not going to sit here and spin BS all day, I thought you were better than that.... Nope!

For the rest of you, I apologize for the rant, but I hope you can see why we would be upset. To spend months making content for a creator for free to enhance his routes only to have them turn around and treat you like this??? No, sorry doesn't work like that.

One more thing to add since Andy seems to think Jointed Rail hates freeware and we're trying to eradicate freeware creators... I'm currently working on a project and have been for the past 2 months to recognize and thank freeware creators in the community. Once a month we will be randomly selecting a freeware creator and doing a write up about them along with giving them gift certificates to use to buy JR products, TRAINZ, TRAINZ DLC, etc... Yeah we must really hate freeware creators too seeing that were about to release more freeware at one time than we ever have before.

Must hate freeware right?

Mike

 

[Robert2d6]

First, I am surprised that some people think that newbies are treated poorly on this forum, because that certainly hasn't been what I have seen or how I was personally treated, and since I started here few months ago, I think I would qualify as a newbie. I have found folks to be generally very helpful, and quick to answer any questions I have had. having come from almost 3 decades of Flight Simming, I am also well aware of the time and energy it takes to create new add ons for both flight and train sims. I have spent sometimes as much as $50 for one aircraft, so spending $5-10 for an locomotive, is no big deal to me, and trust me, I am not rich by any stretch. I bought some locomotives from Jointed Rail when I started Trainz a few months ago, and these are the locomotives that I use 95% of the time. They look, sound, and perform well in my opinion and are certainly worth the price of a couple of fancy Lattes at Starbucks, considering the hours and hours that they are used. That being said, I have also downloaded and frequently use some great freeware routes, and some of the routes I feel are a higher quality than some of the payware routes that I have purchased. Sometimes I am surprised that some of these routes are free, and would be willing to pay for them if they weren't.

Now back to running my Jointed Rail SD80 Mac3's on the WM and B&O Mega Route.

 

[mikebwolf123]

Didn't mean to start an arguement here.
I'm a very patient person, so I'll wait for some MAC's to eventually be released for freeware.

 

[jointedrail]

Yeah sorry to Hijack your thread Mike, but Andy has been poking us for a while saying that we are trying to eliminate freeware and it's creators. That's just nonsense and I'm pretty sure everyone here is smart enough to realize Andy is simply plying for sympathy here since he has publicly called us out and accused us of complete lies. It didn't quite work out as he planned though, as it's pretty obvious what our stance is on freeware. In fact we are working as we speak right now for a HUGE freeware release today. There will be over 70 items including new engines, and plenty of new rolling stock!

Enjoy your time in Trainz, not every thread get's hijacked by those desperate for attention.... Sorry!

Mike

 

[mikebwolf123]

Yeah sorry to Hijack your thread Mike, but Andy has been poking us for a while saying that we are trying to eliminate freeware and it's creators. That's just nonsense and I'm pretty sure everyone here is smart enough to realize Andy is simply plying for sympathy here since he has publicly called us out and accused us of complete lies. It didn't quite work out as he planned though, as it's pretty obvious what our stance is on freeware. In fact we are working as we speak right now for a HUGE freeware release today. There will be over 70 items including new engines, and plenty of new rolling stock!

Enjoy your time in Trainz, not every thread get's hijacked by those desperate for attention.... Sorry!

Mike

No problem. The huge freeware release sounds promising!

 

[Enzo1]

Hi mikebwolf123. With just 10 posts I hope you don't mind me thinking of you as a relative 'newbie' and treating your query with the respect it deserves. Once upon a time Trainz was an open friendly community full of good cheer and truly good freeware models. As time has passed though much of the good cheer has vanished, to be replaced by the sort of sarcasm witnessed above. Unfortunately most most of the good freeware models are disappearing also, to be replaced with Payware. If I pointed out that the authors of the sarcasm are representatives of the authors of the Payware, you might have a clearer picture of what's going on. Perhaps GN1996 is right and someone will produce (or upgrade) an SD70MAC and release it to the community with the sort of open, friendly generosity we used to take so much for granted. Perhaps not. But I sincerely hope we haven't decended to "How dare you ask for freeware" which is pretty much what you got. You deserved better....

There is a much bigger point that is being conveyed here... That point is, the community is more of a circus rather than a helpful place where good trainzers used to help people with their questions regardless of what they are doing with their trainz and used to be much more tolerant than they are today.... Those people used to think it was a great thing that people bought this program and moved it forward, but now they seem it be that you should not buy it... Putting it into perspective, The most important person in payware creation and content creators everywhere, is the person buying/downloading the content.. Without them buying or downloading yourself, you wasted a lot of time if you planned to release and make money on it.. Perhaps content creators should remember this before they go around acting as if they were better than people getting their content... Without us buying your stuff, you would be like the rest of us with a REAL job.... Bout time somebody put this community in its place.. I wish somebody would stand up and say, Trainz is a hobby for all ages, not a buiness, and that nobody is better than anybody.. We are all equal.. Calling each other childish, what hypocrisy, Isnt playing this game a bit childish? Shame on our un-family orientated un-moral community members...

So should he not expect compensation for that?

As for this, what a disgraceful veiw... Plenty of people in the world doing great things and are not getting one bit of compensation for it.. How disgraceful...

 

[jointedrail]

Hmm a disgrace to make money for spending hundreds of hours working on something... Next time you're in Best Buy ask them for a free TV and let me know how that works out for ya.

 

[Therock]

Without us buying your stuff, you would be like the rest of us with a REAL job....

 

[Robert2d6]

Hey, the guy owns a Porsche, what do you expect......:udrool:

 

[NickyVeee]

nobody is better than anybody.. We are all equal..

I go off of the theory of "there is always someone better than you", but thanks for the refresher.

Without us buying your stuff, you would be like the rest of us with a REAL job

So you're inferring that 3D modelling isn't a real job? That's what I got from that statement. Also, it sounds like your trying to understate the creator, making it seem like the consumer is actually better than the creator. I thought you said that everybody should act like they're equal here...hmm. Your whole argument above collapsed on itself when you stated that.