'Pioneer' 2-2-2 (Large Images)

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Sampug394

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Hello all, Simulatortrain has Displayed a Great Deal of interest in this Unusual Old Steam Locomotive. The 'Pioneer' is the Last Remaining Locomotive of the Cumberland Valley Railway, which at one point ran through his Hometown of Mercersberg Pennsylvania. It is a 2-2-2 Type Steam Locomotive.

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It is Adam's Request that, Any fine Modeler that Happens to Take on Modeling this Locomotive for Trainz, to Please leave the Board on the Bunker that says 'Pennsylvania Railroad' off the Model for Authenticity as a Cumberland Valley Locomotive.
 
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If Simulatortrain is expressing interested in this loco, then why are you resquesting it be made instead of him?

Just my thought.
 
LGBMATT said:
If Simulatortrain is expressing interested in this loco, then why are you resquesting it be made instead of him?

Just my thought.
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Sorry, At the moment he Was not at his Computer, and was Talking to me on the Phone about it. I was at my PC though.
 
Sampug394 said:
Sorry, At the moment he Was not at his Computer, and was Talking to me on the Phone about it. I was at my PC though.
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Exactly. Had I been home I would have posted it myself.

It could also be skinned as the sister loco "Jenny Lind," all you'd have to do is make a different name.

And for the sake of history, the Pioneer somewhere around CV's 12th locomotive, 9 or 10 of the first ones being Norris 4-2-0s and I believe the others very early 4-4-0s.

Anyway, it was the regular passenger locomotive to Mercersburg for over 20 years, so that's why I like it.
 
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I got bored with the long drawn out video ... IDK ... but I think they are still both sitting at the bottom, in Davy Jones Locker ... and I don't think there is a way, or plans to bring them up.
 
I don't quite see how there's anything left of them after all that time if they were to raise them, but the parts they brought up and cleaned up looked good...

Maybe they since came to their senses and are leaving them there, I don't know, but last I heard from the museum themselves they were bringing them up.
 
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Obviously this locomotive from the 1880s isn't as old as those 2-2-2s, but this was found, along with a bunch of rolling stock, in a derelict flooded yard at the bottom of Gatun lake in Panama.


Pretty sure the pair of 2-2-2s can be lifted and restored like this too, given that they've still lasted this long under the ocean...
 
well, for one thing, Gatun Lake isn't pure salt water; I'm not sure it's even brackish (half salt-half fresh) I can't see the pic, but if it's the one I've seen, there's not a barnacle to be had (or any other of the marine life usually associated with a salt water "wreck") only rust that you would get from fresk water.

The problem with raising the "twins" 2-2-2s is that A) they've been under water for over a century, and there's more than likely heavy rust on the frame and major load-bearing components. then, to top it all off, there's the double wammy of salt impregnation into the metal, and the fact that if you raised them and left them in the open air, they'd insta-rust and collapse down to nothing. The US Navy has the same problem with the turret they brought up from the wreck of the U.S.S. Monitor: currently it's still in a huge holding tank that they run low-current electricity through to leach the salt out of the iron.

Now, before you say "well, they brought up the Monitor's turret, can't they do it to the engines?" it's not entirely that simple. the turret is eight inches of solid armor steel (well, iron) with (if I remember correctly) something like an inch of back plate for the frame, and heavy cross bracing. The engines aren't built anywhere near that sturdily. While I don't doubt it could be done, I have to say it would be a major undertaking, and probably something beyond the reach of your average railway museum.

That said, I still hold out hope they'd be raised.
 
Hi,

Could anyone tell exactly when this pioneer locomotive was built? Is there any technical information left about it?
Since the 1860s 2-2-2 locomotives were becoming quickly obsolete in Europe. Only conservative railway companies operating on level country kept some of them for express service, because of the large drive wheel diameters and the lightness of express trains.
A few old locos had been rebuilt as tank locomotives in the 1850s and served for a few more years on branch lines. Along the same lines Sharp brothers & Co. offered a new 2-2-2 tank engine for branch line service during the 1850s.

Cheers,

Konni
 
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Gatun Lake is above both the Atlantic and Pacific locks. All water flows from Gatun to the locks, thence to sea. No saltwater flows into the Lake, and ships are forbidden to load or discharge ballast there. Gatun Lake is not anly a great wildlife refuge, its also the water supply for Panama City and Cristobal.
Me,.....I prefer to drink the beer!......
 
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