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jamestump

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Currently using Trainz 12 and thinking of buying 19. Optimisation in 12 is awful and is even worse in TANE, considering that I have a pretty beefy pc and im getting mad lag spikes. How's the performance in 2019? Thats gonna be the deciding factor for me. How easy would it be for me to convert my route and downloaded assets over? I know I've asked this before just wanted to make sure, probs gonna go for the silver membership thing.
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Hi James,

TRS19 runs much, much better than T:ANE ever did with much more extensive graphics with no comparison to TS12 (gulp). TS12 is still a dog no matter how you cut it.

Just wondering what are your machine specs?

This will help us tweak your settings for you should you decide to go that route with TRS19.
 
My old HP Desktop M8100n, 8GB RAM, 1TB HD, and a GForce 430 video card, runs 12, and T:ANE (although many say it isn't even capable of running them) I bet it would even run TS19 on undetailed routes, with sliders reduced
 
JCitron said:
Hi James,

TRS19 runs much, much better than T:ANE ever did with much more extensive graphics with no comparison to TS12 (gulp). TS12 is still a dog no matter how you cut it.

Just wondering what are your machine specs?

This will help us tweak your settings for you should you decide to go that route with TRS19.
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By saying 12 is a dog, do you mean it's much better or worse?
Specs are
Ryzen 5 2600X
GTX 1060 6gb
16Gb RipJaw Ram
Windows 10

Trainz 12 runs at 60+ when all the assets are loaded in and violently drops when I move around the map or follow a train, even though the games installed on an SSD. Tane runs 30+ except for when I'm using the landscaping tool when It drops to about 2fps. IMO i feel like TANE is the fallout 76 of the series idk.
 
jamestump said:
By saying 12 is a dog, do you mean it's much better or worse?
Specs are
Ryzen 5 2600X
GTX 1060 6gb
16Gb RipJaw Ram
Windows 10

Trainz 12 runs at 60+ when all the assets are loaded in and violently drops when I move around the map or follow a train, even though the games installed on an SSD. Tane runs 30+ except for when I'm using the landscaping tool when It drops to about 2fps. IMO i feel like TANE is the fallout 76 of the series idk.
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Dog would infer it's far worse. TS12 is CPU intensive and only 32bit whereas TANE and TRS19 are GPU intensive and 64 bit which is always going to be better, or should be, hardware permitting of course.
 
clam1952 said:
Dog would infer it's far worse. TS12 is CPU intensive and only 32bit whereas TANE and TRS19 are GPU intensive and 64 bit which is always going to be better, or should be, hardware permitting of course.
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ah safe, Ill probs get a silver membership and see how well it works
 
TANE runs better on my rig than TRS19. TRS19 is also cpu intensive when the train is moving (90-100% on my rig).

I5 6500 3,2 GH
16 GB RAM
Geforce GTX 1060 6 GB
 
With 6 cores and 12 threads and an unlocked processor, the Ryzen 5 2600X should negate any perceived problems with 'CPU intensive' tasks.
Like T:ANE, TRS19 is still rather-more GPU-centric however.
I find my i7 CPUs idle most of the time in Driver mode and are rarely stretched by intensive external views of consists in motion. (Both have high 4.6Ghz base clocks however)
It is my GTX 1070 and GTX 1080Ti that do all the hard computational work rendering the scenes and action whenever I have all the eye-candy wicks turned right up.
These typically operate at 60 to 100% whenever there is high scenery complexity and on-screen action.
Even with an 8700K and GTX 1080Ti, I find that TS12 is jerky and suffers inexplicable stutters from time to time and is so constrained by Draw Distance and terrible lighting and shadows settings to be almost unbearable to run these days. (So I don't!)
 
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jamestump said:
Trainz 12 runs at 60+ when all the assets are loaded in and violently drops when I move around the map or follow a train, ...
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That would imply that you are not getting the performance from that SSD that you should be getting. That could be a buss problem or configuration in the SSD itself. You should look at what the manufacturer suggests for that SSD in that PC.
 
CrystalNoir said:
TANE runs better on my rig than TRS19. TRS19 is also cpu intensive when the train is moving (90-100% on my rig).

I5 6500 3,2 GH
16 GB RAM
Geforce GTX 1060 6 GB
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Thats definitely not normal, Neither my Ryzen5 1600 or my i7 6700K CPUs are doing much at all when running driver, it's all on the GPU, if getting 100% CPU then something else is going on at the same time?
The Ryzen just out performs the i7 on multicore bench marks

@ jamestump, having used a 6GB GTX1060 with my Ryzen5 1600 which worked very well you shouldn't have any issues with a 2600X. It's since moved to a Phenom II 1090T X6 where it still works surprisingly well considering its an old rig with ancient not very quick Sata2 drives.

I'm actually run a test in driver on the i7 rig at the moment GPU is between 80 and 99% @ 65°C, CPU 35% @ 64°C (Also running Firefox and Thunderbird) I'm running the test on my Ffestiniog / Welsh Highland route which as some of you probably know needs a high spec rig to run it.
 
clam1952 said:
Thats definitely not normal, Neither my Ryzen5 1600 or my i7 6700K CPUs are doing much at all when running driver, it's all on the GPU, if getting 100% CPU then something else is going on at the same time?
The Ryzen just out performs the i7 on multicore bench marks

@ jamestump, having used a 6GB GTX1060 with my Ryzen5 1600 which worked very well you shouldn't have any issues with a 2600X. It's since moved to a Phenom II 1090T X6 where it still works surprisingly well considering its an old rig with ancient not very quick Sata2 drives.

I'm actually run a test in driver on the i7 rig at the moment GPU is between 80 and 99% @ 65°C, CPU 35% @ 64°C (Also running Firefox and Thunderbird) I'm running the test on my Ffestiniog / Welsh Highland route which as some of you probably know needs a high spec rig to run it.
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The high CPU usage is definitely not normal. I see the same throughput on my complex routes. CPU at 35-40%, GPU between 80 and 99% with temps in the same range.
 
I don't know why but on my rig, my GPU runs normal, but when I move the train the CPU can jump to 95-100 % in a time. And I say again I didn't have anything running in the background. I tested to desactivate all things I can desactivate, have the same thing, GPU is ok, CPU is ok when train is not moving, but when I start moving the train, the CPU goes up, and it makes a sort of balance that is between 60-100 % with the more often 90-100 %. And it's the case whatever I use an "OSD monitoring" or not (task manager for ex to look at the cpu). That could explain my performances pb but I can't find why it uses it like that. It's an I5-6500 3,2 GHZ and my GPU is a GTX 1060 6 GB. Be aware that some CPU'S have hyperthreading (for ex 4 cores and 8 threads), mine not, I have 4 cores and 4 threads because my CPU doesn't support hyperthreading.

And I already played with the differents game settings options without success (shadows, etc...).

I already check temps and all are normal, that just the cpu usage of the game that is intensive here.

Here's a screen that what I have when I run the first tutorial, the cpu usage is variable but I have some big up as you can see, 89 % for the CPU here and I've already seen 99 %, see the first column :

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Whatever I do, the game is CPU intensive on my rig and I can't get ride of it or I don't know how.
 
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Having just changed from TS2012 to TS2019 I noticed an immediate difference in general game smoothness and the occasional pauses and stuttering I was getting in TS2012 are well and truly gone. My old Xeon workstation is by no means cutting edge, but it's very capable of giving an enjoyable experience in TS2019; - though of course I have some of the sliders slid back to 'normal' and 'low' where appropriate.
My advice is go for it. Take a Gold subscription, try TS2019 for a month and if you like it keep the subscription going. If not cancel your sub and it didn't cost you much. A posh coffee in some of the flash trendy coffee shops about the place would cost you more than a one month's Gold sub.
 
KotangaGirl said:
Having just changed from TS2012 to TS2019 I noticed an immediate difference in general game smoothness and the occasional pauses and stuttering I was getting in TS2012 are well and truly gone. My old Xeon workstation is by no means cutting edge, but it's very capable of giving an enjoyable experience in TS2019; - though of course I have some of the sliders slid back to 'normal' and 'low' where appropriate.
My advice is go for it. Take a Gold subscription, try TS2019 for a month and if you like it keep the subscription going. If not cancel your sub and it didn't cost you much. A posh coffee in some of the flash trendy coffee shops about the place would cost you more than a one month's Gold sub.
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yeah I'll probs do that, I'm on a student loan and used to eating pasta anyway
 
KotangaGirl said:
Having just changed from TS2012 to TS2019 I noticed an immediate difference in general game smoothness and the occasional pauses and stuttering I was getting in TS2012 are well and truly gone. My old Xeon workstation is by no means cutting edge, but it's very capable of giving an enjoyable experience in TS2019; - though of course I have some of the sliders slid back to 'normal' and 'low' where appropriate.
My advice is go for it. Take a Gold subscription, try TS2019 for a month and if you like it keep the subscription going. If not cancel your sub and it didn't cost you much. A posh coffee in some of the flash trendy coffee shops about the place would cost you more than a one month's Gold sub.
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My coursemate bought the collectors edition of fallout 76 so I dont feel that naughty about buying this I guess
 
SailorDan said:
That would imply that you are not getting the performance from that SSD that you should be getting. That could be a buss problem or configuration in the SSD itself. You should look at what the manufacturer suggests for that SSD in that PC.
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That sounds like it could be due to not using SATA / AHCI drivers, may be using the standard Microsoft IDE ones.
 
I already said it but may be on an other thread, I have completly uninstall AV software and desactivate Windows Defender (completly not temporary) to do all my tests, and no success. So it doesn't come from that (at least for me and my rig).

I said too that some of you have cpu that has hyperthreading, that's not my case and it can change a lot of things (cpu usage for example that is very big on my rig with this game). It can be a lot of things but for now after 5 days of testing, I didn't find the "magic" that make the game smooth. I find some tricks to make it run with less stutters (and with the HUD off because if it's on it's worse), but that's all.

Again, don't get me wrong, I don't say the game is bad or something, just say that I (we because it seems I'm not the only one) sutters/jerks problem with the game. May be the game could be also improved in the future and it will run better I don't know but for now it's difficult to find a compromise between visual/immersion/performances. So, I play how I can for now but I hope find or have something better in the future (may be change some things on my rig (cpu), and may be performances improvements with patchs).
 
CrystalNoir said:
I already said it but may be on an other thread, I have completly uninstall AV software and desactivate Windows Defender (completly not temporary) to do all my tests, and no success. So it doesn't come from that (at least for me and my rig).

I said too that some of you have cpu that has hyperthreading, that's not my case and it can change a lot of things (cpu usage for example that is very big on my rig with this game). It can be a lot of things but for now after 5 days of testing, I didn't find the "magic" that make the game smooth. I find some tricks to make it run with less stutters (and with the HUD off because if it's on it's worse), but that's all.

Again, don't get me wrong, I don't say the game is bad or something, just say that I (we because it seems I'm not the only one) sutters/jerks problem with the game. May be the game could be also improved in the future and it will run better I don't know but for now it's difficult to find a compromise between visual/immersion/performances. So, I play how I can for now but I hope find or have something better in the future (may be change some things on my rig (cpu), and may be performances improvements with patchs).
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See my thread on Post Processing. Can you try something for me?
 
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