trainzfourever
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I am looking for the type of cars that were used, genral info, and a model I could re-skin. I have done an internet secerch and have come up with nothing useful.
Thanks!
Thanks!
NYC Pacemaker boxcars.
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motorbreath
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This is a left over one from some skins I was doing. It has not been released, and the reds still need work.
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NewYorkCentral
New York Central Railroad
My 300th post
There are some on the Download Station.
There are some on the Download Station.
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don't know if it is because haven't found one or if you're someone like me you just simply want to paint your own.
Here is this
NYC 40ft Boxcar Type: Rolling Stock Downloaded: 1149 File Size: 490.67 kb File Type: .cdp Created by: Corporal_Major Date: 13th May 2006 Version: TRS2006 KUID: 178941:1616
FTP Location: (for FTP users)
/Restricted/trainz/TRAINZ01/rollingstock/kuid_178941_1616.cdp
Description:
paintshed skin of a NYC 40ft Boxcar
Here is this
FTP Location: (for FTP users)
/Restricted/trainz/TRAINZ01/rollingstock/kuid_178941_1616.cdp
Description:
paintshed skin of a NYC 40ft Boxcar
Google usually is good luck finding things for me, let's see what today brings.
Got some color scheme & freight car roster info here
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/NYC-MODELS-FREIGHT.htm
From here
http://www.ominousweather.com/NYCLines.html
New York Central Pacemaker Service
Remember the red-and-white diamond herald of the The Pacemaker Service of the New York Central was unique, it was a mix between "head end" and fast freight.
Pacemaker Trains were dedicated to carrying LCL Merchandise. They used specially-marked high-speed freight cars.
In 1946, the NYC offered overnight service between New York and Buffalo via BN-1/NB-2. This overnight service was resurrected after WW II with the name "Pacemaker" although BN-1/NB-2 ran on essentially the same schedule as the pre-War version which was established in 1935-36, but discontinued during the War.
In 1948-49, BB-1/BB-2 was started to serve the B&A. The Boston-Buffalo Pacemaker trains served Boston, Worcester, Springfield, Pittsfield, Albany, Utica, Rochester & Buffalo while the New York Pacemakers served NY, Yonkers, Albany, Utica, Syracuse & Buffalo. The New York & Boston Pacemakers connected at Albany, Utica and Buffalo. Around this time, NB-1/BN-2 also served Cleveland (NB-1 arrived at Collinwood around 1 pm next day, while BN-2 left Collinwood in the early afternoon.)
"Pacemaker Service" was extended beyond the terminal points of NB-1/BB-1/BN-2/BB-2 using "ordinary" freight symbol trains and local freights/yard transfers to reach points such as Watertown, Malone, Montreal, Niagara Falls, Detroit, Jackson, Battle Creek, Kalamazoo, Toledo, Elkhart, South Bend Chicago (Polk Street), Columbus, Springfield, Indianapolis, East St. Louis, Cincinnati & Charleston WV according to NYC's 1951 Merchandise Car Schedule.
By 1957, Pacemaker Service had been dropped, or replaced in kind by Early Bird Service. Hence, PACEMAKER cars became just another boxcar in NYC parlance.
The original Pacemaker cars were green. 200 brown temporary Pacemaker Service cars were added in 1953. These cars also had a star below the herald that indicated the car was supposed to remain on NYC home rails. I am wondering how long these 200 temporary cars remained in Pacemaker service? Also, was the star removed in the mid-to-late 1950's as the boxcar shortage ended, or did the Pacemaker cars keep the star since they were specialized equipment? How effective were the stars on keeping the cars on home rails?
Got some color scheme & freight car roster info here
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/NYC-MODELS-FREIGHT.htm
From here
http://www.ominousweather.com/NYCLines.html
New York Central Pacemaker Service
Remember the red-and-white diamond herald of the The Pacemaker Service of the New York Central was unique, it was a mix between "head end" and fast freight.
Pacemaker Trains were dedicated to carrying LCL Merchandise. They used specially-marked high-speed freight cars.
In 1946, the NYC offered overnight service between New York and Buffalo via BN-1/NB-2. This overnight service was resurrected after WW II with the name "Pacemaker" although BN-1/NB-2 ran on essentially the same schedule as the pre-War version which was established in 1935-36, but discontinued during the War.
In 1948-49, BB-1/BB-2 was started to serve the B&A. The Boston-Buffalo Pacemaker trains served Boston, Worcester, Springfield, Pittsfield, Albany, Utica, Rochester & Buffalo while the New York Pacemakers served NY, Yonkers, Albany, Utica, Syracuse & Buffalo. The New York & Boston Pacemakers connected at Albany, Utica and Buffalo. Around this time, NB-1/BN-2 also served Cleveland (NB-1 arrived at Collinwood around 1 pm next day, while BN-2 left Collinwood in the early afternoon.)
"Pacemaker Service" was extended beyond the terminal points of NB-1/BB-1/BN-2/BB-2 using "ordinary" freight symbol trains and local freights/yard transfers to reach points such as Watertown, Malone, Montreal, Niagara Falls, Detroit, Jackson, Battle Creek, Kalamazoo, Toledo, Elkhart, South Bend Chicago (Polk Street), Columbus, Springfield, Indianapolis, East St. Louis, Cincinnati & Charleston WV according to NYC's 1951 Merchandise Car Schedule.
By 1957, Pacemaker Service had been dropped, or replaced in kind by Early Bird Service. Hence, PACEMAKER cars became just another boxcar in NYC parlance.
The original Pacemaker cars were green. 200 brown temporary Pacemaker Service cars were added in 1953. These cars also had a star below the herald that indicated the car was supposed to remain on NYC home rails. I am wondering how long these 200 temporary cars remained in Pacemaker service? Also, was the star removed in the mid-to-late 1950's as the boxcar shortage ended, or did the Pacemaker cars keep the star since they were specialized equipment? How effective were the stars on keeping the cars on home rails?
This ought to be worth reading, given the author.
http://www.steamfreightcars.com/prototype/frtcars/nycboxcars.pdf
BOX CARS OF THE NEW YORK CENTRAL
presented by
Jeff English
at the
2000 Prototype Modelers Seminar East
Hunt Valley, Maryland
(revised 2002 February 20)
Scope
This presentation covers all box cars of the New York Central Railroad
http://www.steamfreightcars.com/prototype/frtcars/nycboxcars.pdf
BOX CARS OF THE NEW YORK CENTRAL
presented by
Jeff English
at the
2000 Prototype Modelers Seminar East
Hunt Valley, Maryland
(revised 2002 February 20)
Scope
This presentation covers all box cars of the New York Central Railroad
Okay, think we have a score here.
Underlining is by me, apparently this thing doesn't have a highlighter function.
http://www.mail-archive.com/s-scale@yahoogroups.com/msg10556.html
{S-Scale List} NYC, Pacemaker & PS-1s, (was Re: 'Nuther Box Car.....)
englishintroy
Tue, 17 Jul 2007 15:05:33 -0700
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, "Gary Chudzinski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Lots of roads had them! The 'mighty' NYC Pacemaker was a most
colorful specimen and ran them behind Mohawk's, RS-3's, as well as GP-
7's.......whole trains full of them.
Unfortunately, the reality of NYC Pacemaker Service doesn't fit this
fantasy. First off, of many thousand 40-foot PS-1s on the NYC
roster, only 25 were ever painted in the vermilion-and-gray Pacemaker
Service scheme, and they were also different form all other NYC PS-1s
in having 8-foot doors and cushion underframes. Also, these 25 cars
were not delivered until 1954, which was about the end of any
focussed effort to actually provide expedited LCL service (after
that, it was just an obsolete paint scheme).
The most well known Pacemaker box cars were the 1,000 AAR 10'0"IH
cars built in 1946, with 4-3 Improved Dreadnaught Ends. There is no
accurate S-scale production model of this car (and darn few in any
other scale either), but it may be a future conversion kit by SRCC
(aka Earl Tuson) . The PRS car is a reasonable stand-in, and
ironically, the otherwise completely unprototypical AM box car makes
a halfway plausible stand-in also. Ed L pointed out that many mfrs
have applied this paint scheme to cars that are not accurate models
of the NYC cars.
Furthermore, the publicity photos of long strings of Pacemaker
Service cars probably did not last very long, if they ever ran that
way at all except in experimental runs. The original plan was to run
them at passenger train speeds, but there is little evidence that
this plan was ever fully executed.
Finally, Andy Malette ackowledged my disappointment with the Kaslo PS-
1's ends, and he mentioned that he doesn't like the ladders which I
also hold in low regard. One thing Kaslo did do right was to make a
shell that includes all details present over the first few years of
PS-1 production, so that the modeler only has to remove those which
are not appropriate for any given prototype. It should be
understood, however, that no prototype car ever had all of those
details at the same time. And the Kaslo only models cars with 6-foot
doors, whereas 40-foot PS-1s also came with 7- and 8-foot doors. And
we haven't even started talking about <50>-foot PS-1s.
Jeff English
Troy, New York
Underlining is by me, apparently this thing doesn't have a highlighter function.
http://www.mail-archive.com/s-scale@yahoogroups.com/msg10556.html
{S-Scale List} NYC, Pacemaker & PS-1s, (was Re: 'Nuther Box Car.....)
englishintroy
Tue, 17 Jul 2007 15:05:33 -0700
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, "Gary Chudzinski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Lots of roads had them! The 'mighty' NYC Pacemaker was a most
colorful specimen and ran them behind Mohawk's, RS-3's, as well as GP-
7's.......whole trains full of them.
Unfortunately, the reality of NYC Pacemaker Service doesn't fit this
fantasy. First off, of many thousand 40-foot PS-1s on the NYC
roster, only 25 were ever painted in the vermilion-and-gray Pacemaker
Service scheme, and they were also different form all other NYC PS-1s
in having 8-foot doors and cushion underframes. Also, these 25 cars
were not delivered until 1954, which was about the end of any
focussed effort to actually provide expedited LCL service (after
that, it was just an obsolete paint scheme).
The most well known Pacemaker box cars were the 1,000 AAR 10'0"IH
cars built in 1946, with 4-3 Improved Dreadnaught Ends. There is no
accurate S-scale production model of this car (and darn few in any
other scale either), but it may be a future conversion kit by SRCC
(aka Earl Tuson) . The PRS car is a reasonable stand-in, and
ironically, the otherwise completely unprototypical AM box car makes
a halfway plausible stand-in also. Ed L pointed out that many mfrs
have applied this paint scheme to cars that are not accurate models
of the NYC cars.
Furthermore, the publicity photos of long strings of Pacemaker
Service cars probably did not last very long, if they ever ran that
way at all except in experimental runs. The original plan was to run
them at passenger train speeds, but there is little evidence that
this plan was ever fully executed.
Finally, Andy Malette ackowledged my disappointment with the Kaslo PS-
1's ends, and he mentioned that he doesn't like the ladders which I
also hold in low regard. One thing Kaslo did do right was to make a
shell that includes all details present over the first few years of
PS-1 production, so that the modeler only has to remove those which
are not appropriate for any given prototype. It should be
understood, however, that no prototype car ever had all of those
details at the same time. And the Kaslo only models cars with 6-foot
doors, whereas 40-foot PS-1s also came with 7- and 8-foot doors. And
we haven't even started talking about <50>-foot PS-1s.
Jeff English
Troy, New York