Meaning titles for Assets on DLS would be helpful

Paul_Bert

Train Enthusiast
First of all I applaud all the people who have the ability to create assets and then make then available for everyone on the download station.

When the assets are placed on the download station I wish that they had names which gave a clue as to what the asset is.

One example, and I am not trying to pick on or criticize this asset creator, but it is a great example of my desire for the DLS title to reflect what the asset is for.

On the download station for 8/21/2013 there were 991 assets available for downloading all with the name 'Reserved'. They were made available by krash_01. These may be wonderful and useful assets, however neither the name or the thumbnail picture gave a clue as to what they were or no idea on how they might fit into a route.

Am I missing something here?
 
Hi Paul,

We've been discussing this in another thread somewhere. I know it's annoying to see about 1,000 "reserved" assets. I agree they maybe cool little doodads, but who knows what they are. Zec is looking into this stuff.

John
 
Someone reported that they downloaded one, and it was a "consist" file of 1 single car. As was mentioned in that thread, with the user name "Krash_01", and the OBVIOUS spamming they are doing, I am quite surprised at Zec's position that "they are not hurting anything".

Let me, as a paying Consumer, spell it out...It is hurting your REPUTATION as a provider.

I'm also a bit put off by the statement, also by Zec, that it is not a "simple matter" to remove them from the DLS...Huh? Aren't you guys (N3V) professional Software Programmers??
-I know I am over simplifying by example, but on my home PC, I have this thing called "Drag and Drop" and another one called "recycle bin"...seems pretty simple from my "consumer" point of view.

I'd be even more curious to find out the results of an IP Address trace, to see if it is someone who actively participats in the Forums, and/or has been "stirring the pot" lately...more likely a bored kid in a 2nd world country, but inquiring minds, and all that...
 
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First of all I applaud all the people who have the ability to create assets and then make then available for everyone on the download station.

When the assets are placed on the download station I wish that they had names which gave a clue as to what the asset is.

One example, and I am not trying to pick on or criticize this asset creator, but it is a great example of my desire for the DLS title to reflect what the asset is for.

On the download station for 8/21/2013 there were 991 assets available for downloading all with the name 'Reserved'. They were made available by krash_01. These may be wonderful and useful assets, however neither the name or the thumbnail picture gave a clue as to what they were or no idea on how they might fit into a route.

Am I missing something here?

Long ago I was what's known as a Configuration Manager in an organisation producing very large software installations running on mainframes. Part of the job was to devise and enforce naming standards for the many, many different types and items of software modules.

Without these naming standards it was impossible to keep track of the rascals, not to mention their various versions and all the calls from one to another. Failure to name an item according to the standards often resulted in a bout of chaos and mad chasing about, as an errant & hard-to-find module caused glitches here, there & everywhere.

So the free-for-all naming that occurs with Trainz items often makes me go "tut" since it's often unclear what a thing is; or difficult to find various types of things - all because the naming standards are rather lax.

But, given that the source of Trainz items is so diverse - thousands of contributors - the Trainz database is remarkably usable. Items must at least be allocated to meaningful types & versions; and names are usually meaningful in themselves (the name describes what the item is). Sometimes this is not the case and finding or understanding items of various kinds gets difficult.

For example, Pofig's trees - very splendid and useful items - have obscure names that don't describe what each tree is. Each name is a string of characters very similar to the strings of characters naming all the other items, so any meaning Pofig might have intended with the naming scheme is not self-evident to the uninitiated.

Often the associated jpeg that pictures an item is a generic jpeg that doesn't portray the individual "thing". Sometimes there is no jpeg at all - or a message saying words to the effect that "this is a generic filler".

Data items in a large database of related and interacting "stuff" need managing. Trainz data items could be managed a lot better than they are and much of that improvement could be achieved via more rigorous naming standards. But it's probably too late now.

On the other hand, they could all be given an alias which did accord with a rigorous naming standard. But where would that standard come from and who would enforce the production of all the aliases?
 
I to dislike this! If a asset has no real name or something telling me what it is then I wont DL it. If I DL a route or session with one of these in it I will delete it to.
What so hard in giving a asset a proper name?
I can't believe how many are built in.
 
I know it's annoying, but as lataxe says, some content is so diverse it makes naming difficult.
I've been trying to find meaningful names for semaphore signal combinations, and found it impossible to come up with a system to fully describe them within the window available in the surveyor menu. But at least I've conformed to Bloodnok's format of having "Sig" at the beginning.

PS I've sometimes asked people who ask for a particular combination what they think I should name it, and I can't recall anyone giving me suggestions.
So if there are any ideas for a suitable cataloguing system (especially for semaphore signals) I'd be glad to hear it.
Chris.
 
I know it's annoying, but as lataxe says, some content is so diverse it makes naming difficult.
I've been trying to find meaningful names for semaphore signal combinations, and found it impossible to come up with a system to fully describe them within the window available in the surveyor menu. But at least I've conformed to Bloodnok's format of having "Sig" at the beginning.

PS I've sometimes asked people who ask for a particular combination what they think I should name it, and I can't recall anyone giving me suggestions.
So if there are any ideas for a suitable cataloguing system (especially for semaphore signals) I'd be glad to hear it.
Chris.

Chrisaw,

Naming standards have to begin by inventing a taxonomy covering all of the things-named. As you intimate, it is no easy matter to describe every aspect of such a group of things in a fashion that is coherent. It's not even easy to decide which things fall into the group-of-things to be included in the taxonomy and which fall outside of it!

Usually a taxonomy for technology-things needs to contain at least these kinds of attributes:

function (eg "signalling"; types of messages conveyed, etc.).
technology paradigm (eg electric; mechanical; luminous; semaphore; etc.).
identity labels (eg colours; shapes; configurations; etc.).
contextual aspects (placement; sequence; etc.).
controls/calls (manual; automated; instigators; feedback; limits; etc.).

But there may be other main-attributes, depending on the nature of the things being named.

If all the relevant attributes can be identified and each item awarded the appropriate attributes (using standardised and coherent names for each attribute-type & their variations) you then have to decide how to construct the full name so you get unique IDs that are themselves coherent (attributes given in the same order) but also self-explanatory - even if the explanation requires users to learn one or more keys, technical terms or other (published) names that are not "plain english".

It's a wonder anyone ever gets 'round to making things to name! :-)

I looked in "Two Centuries of Railway Signalling" by Geoffrey Kitchenside & Alan Williams but despite discovering a ton of information about various signalling systems I couldn't find anything that would even begin to capture a taxonomy for all (or even any) signalling systems.

But surely railway companies or national organisations such as British Rail must have had such taxonomies........?

Lataxe
 
I'm one of those guilty of generic screenshots. Its because I put over 4000 items on the DLS before they became mandatory. I simply didn't know. When they became required there was simply no way in hades I could go back and take that many and update them so I went the generic "This is a no screenshot screenshot" route. You are free to berate me as you wish, lol.

What I don't really understand is the purpose of 991 or so reserved places. The only thing that comes to mind is someone is going to make 2 items that are either very closely related or go together in some manner and he wants them to be next to each other on the DLS (or as close as possible) but he isn't going to make both right away. Consecutive kuid numbers don't matter - he controls them. Reserving one location actually makes sense to some extent in that case as long as it isn't overdone. Close to 1000? Meaningless.

N3V should content this person and find out the purpose of so many.

Ben
 
Lataxe, you bring up very good point.

Asset names and titles have been extremely haphazard and unregulated since the beginning of Trainz. Not only is there a lack of - as you describe - proper taxonomy of content, the situation is made worse by content creators who label in foreign languages or flat out assign cryptic code names instead of proper titles, making it nearly impossible to locate some assets using regular keyword search. As someone who has OCD, I can tell you all this makes me quite uncomfortable.

If N3V wishes to take the initiative to restore some semblance of order back to the DLS, they will need to quickly implement new rules with regards to file name conventions. There is no greater opportunity like the present, where more and more high quality content for TS12 begin to appear and outdated content are either fixed or being obsoleted.


Ben,

It is not a big issue for an older asset to be missing a thumbnail. This was not a requirement in the past and the error is therefore understandable. Improper file naming is a much larger deterrent to identifying content because how is a user supposed to know what an asset is if the filename is just a string of blank square boxes because uploader decided to use Russian characters, for example? Or a user seeks "wooden bridge", how is he supposed to ever find asset "puente madera"?
 
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One of the biggest problems is different languages
ie: Waschenlaunge

The other is just being non-discript by flopping words all over the place.

ie: PRR Track Guide ... first of all it is a "Track Guide", and should not have been alphabetically named as "PRR" being the first word.

If a bridge is a NG 250 ft Wood Trestle ... It should have been named: "Trestle Wood NG 250ft"

Adding to the confusion is when someone creates 125 subway assets, all with the same screenshot, and No Discription whatsover.

Now the DLS is so haphazardly named throughout ... I am wasting my breath, as it will never be solved to anyone's liking.
 
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We now have three "creators" uploading the "Reserved" named assets (info from Planet Auran):

krash_01 kuid:110210 Russian Federation joined 12 Aug 13
d3s kuid:21971 Russian Federation joined 28 April 13
danzzzeg kuid:760902 Russian Federation joined 28 Jan 13

The asset they reference is an Acela coach. In your wildest dreams I cannot imagine there being 1000 variants. Numbered coaches maybe.

I've labelled them all to my f_crap keyword and excluded them from my view in Content Manager until more info on their intent is available.
 
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As I said above one or two can be understandable in certain circumstances but 1000's. No. This needs to be stopped.

Ben
 
What I find annoying is that if I go to the black pages on the DLS, the 991 items will almost fill the limit of 1000 items capable of being viewed. This causes a great nuisance in trying to find anything on the black pages. Eventually, they will work their way down the list and not be visible in the 1000 limit. Maybe this was the intent of the creator...to clog up the black pages.

Mike
 
One of the biggest problems is different languages
ie: Waschenlaunge

The other is just being non-discript by flopping words all over the place.

ie: PRR Track Guide ... first of all it is a "Track Guide", and should not have been alphabetically named as "PRR" being the first word.

If a bridge is a NG 250 ft Wood Trestle ... It should have been named: "Trestle Wood NG 250ft"

Adding to the confusion is when someone creates 125 subway assets, all with the same screenshot, and No Discription whatsover.

Now the DLS is so haphazardly named throughout ... I am wasting my breath, as it will never be solved to anyone's liking.

In reference to that one particular item, I disagree. I think it is named quite well compared to so many others that don't even give that much information, especially since I like to group things by "Road" or "Brand".
-That Track Guide is specifically for Pennsylvania Railroad track spacing, so when I am working on a PRR themed Route, I can easily find it with my other PRR assets.

-My opinion.

Locos and rolling stock should be named by "road" first, then "make" and "model", then "ARN/Road#/etc".
Such-as; "Conrail EMD GP38-2 ARN 2435-2452"
Or; "Wabash Alco C-425 #391"
Or; "NJT GE U30C xxxx Blue Bird"

Scenery Items bring on many more reasonable configurations, but I like "Country" "Era" "Item"
ie; "US Modern Bank w/Drive-thru"
or; "AU 80s Ford Pickup"
or; "JP 30s Coal Bunker"

-more opinion.
 
What I find annoying is that if I go to the black pages on the DLS, the 991 items will almost fill the limit of 1000 items capable of being viewed. This causes a great nuisance in trying to find anything on the black pages. Eventually, they will work their way down the list and not be visible in the 1000 limit. Maybe this was the intent of the creator...to clog up the black pages.

Mike

And THIS^ is what erks me about N3Vs position on the subject, that "it isn't hurting anything". It most certainly is as obvious as the nose on our faces that this "krash_01" was attempting to "Spam" or otherwise "CRASH!" the DLS/Auran Servers.
--I guess N3V need to get a ransom note sent to the Help Desk to actually take this Cyber Attack seriously...shameful, but not surprising, it seems they don't have employees with the proper skill-set to address it.
 
I want to applause first for all content creators .

Is it an idea to give the assets a simpel letter at first ?

B. for bridges
TR. for tracks
T. for trees
H. for houses
D. for diesels
C. for cars
I. for industry
 
I started the thread on these 991 useless nondescript items. I got tired of wading through page after page after page of it. N3V said they'd do something about it and in the nearly 2 weeks since, absolutely nothing. In fact, we now have the aforementioned other Russian authors spamming up the DLS. Nothing more has happened from N3V than if one were to place a high priority ticket into the help desk. No resolution in a long time period. Nonsense.
 
I'm not a coder but what if each of them has 2 or 3 bytes of a larger malicious program inside and this is their way of getting the code into the N3V system? At some later point he sends the "trigger", it assembles, runs itself, and N3V/DLS, etc is trashed.

N3V GET OFF YOUR BUTT BEFORE ITS TO LATE!!!

Ben
 
That is a very, very, scary theory !

I hope N3V does respond by taking those assets off of the DLS, immediately ... as their utmost high priority !
 
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