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Just another excuse to dump junk in the ocean.
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What kind of excuse is that? They could have been used as work trains, not reefs. One of the NYCTA's badder choices. :(:'(
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You can't use an entire fleet of these for Work Train service, that applies in any situation. It wouldn't surprise me if they left a few on property.
 
I don't think they would have the capacity. Scrapping is a way of railway life and it's important to respect what's still around. For example I'm very upset that all but three New Haven Washboard EMU's were scrapped but it makes me respect the three survivors even more as well as the rest of the surviving equipment.
 
How about recycling them. I'm sure there is plenty of steel and aluminum that could be recovered. Melt 'em down and use the raw material to make new ones.
 
How about recycling them. I'm sure there is plenty of steel and aluminum that could be recovered. Melt 'em down and use the raw material to make new ones.
They should of come over here to see what we did with some of our old Mk2's. They were joined together to make what you would call a diner. They are placed next to an old railway bridge which is on an old dis-used line. It is very popular with the young one's.
 
I'm not an expert environmental-type person, but these dumpings in the NYC bay are also done due to some benefit it provides to the harbor area, I just cannot remember what off-hand. I think it also is part of the reason you can swim and fish in the area again.
 
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i am very concerned about those subway cars. the asbestos in the floor tile is polluting the ocean :confused:.

i am very concerned about the environment. this is why i like electric locos and subway cars rather than diesel. :D
 
I highly doubt the governmently run MTA would allow the subway cars to be dumped into the ocean with asbestos in them; they pulled out anything harmful in them. You don't really think that they dump subway cars with all of the seats, lights, and other appliances in them do you?

And you just contradicted yourself on that last statement, you just said your concerned about the environment because the cars supposedly have asbestos in them, but yet you also said that you like subways as opposed to diesels. We get what your saying, but a little more explanation would be nice.
 
reasons there dumping these cars:

1. the abestos recently discovered in the r33/36 series now makes it ILLEGAL to purchese one, NYCTA couldn't even give one away if they wanted to.

2. The cars create artifical reefs, new homes for the fish.

btw ^ if there is abestos in the R33/R36 cars, the workcars will ahve to be stripped of it.....
same with the museum cars.
 
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1. When these cars were in their final days they were real crap. They had holes every where and alot of body rot. As much as I loved them, they needed to go.
2. I go to the museum in CT and I operate the redbird all the time. It is a great car, but it does not have a pantograph but a trolley pole.
3. Once the asbestos is in the water it is not longer a danger, it is only harmful when airborne, so sinking the cars is a very cost effective way of dealing with that problem.
 
The redbirds are long gone. These are R40 and R42's. It's very expensive to scrap them because of the asbestos in them, which would all need to be removed to scrap them. As long as the asbestos is not friable (can't become airborne), it isn't a problem, either in reefed cars, or in those which are still in use. Asbestos tiles, in good condition, aren't a problem either. However, once you start removing them, they chip and break, and then you have a problem, a very expensive problem.

Reefing has so far proven to be a viable and beneficial ecological procedure, bringing back sea life to areas where, for one reason or another (overfishing, pollution, etc.) it has long been gone.
 
You don't really think that they dump subway cars with all of the seats, lights, and other appliances in them do you?

If I was going to be a liar, I'd say I don't think they would. If I want to be honest, I'd say I do think they would do that. :eek:

the abestos recently discovered in the r33/36 series now makes it ILLEGAL to purchese one, NYCTA couldn't even give one away if they wanted to...

I don't understand why it would be illegal. It wasn't illegal back then (it couldn't if they purchased them) so why would it be illegal now?
 
I don't understand why it would be illegal. It wasn't illegal back then (it couldn't if they purchased them) so why would it be illegal now?
Because they just recently discovered asbestos in the cars (which means during there run, the R33/36 class probably abestos posioned half of new york city) means that NOW they are illegal. Abesto is only posionous in its dust form so sinking them means the dust will NEVER get into the air.
 
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