Early Internal Combustion locos
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I'm not sure how many IC locomotives there were during that time. As far as I know most combustion engines from that time period were hot bulb, having only one cylinder and a hotplate to ignite fuel (the Lanz Bulldog is a great example of this). Probably the best you're going to get from this era is maybe a small boxcab.
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John
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John
From what I can remember they never could get anything strong enough for freight until the FT. The steam operators never believed anything would ever be strong enough. In the early 1920's, I think I remember hearing they were even having trouble making decent doodlebugs/motorcars. In the 30's they began experimenting with diesel-electrics more and EMC developed the SW, SC, and NW for switching purposes only, and then later the EA for passenger and finally ending with the FT in the late 30's, also by this time becoming known EMD. I think ZapperJet's right. The only things around then were doodlebugs and boxcabs.
I'm working on a Brill Model 55 motorcar, I can't remember the dates for when was first made but it's before 1922. I may finish it before the end of the summer.
I'm working on a Brill Model 55 motorcar, I can't remember the dates for when was first made but it's before 1922. I may finish it before the end of the summer.
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There were of course the tractor based ones. The Victorian Railways had one, of which is preserved in the ARHS museum in Victoria.
There was also the McKeen railmotors:
http://www.victorianrailways.net/motive power/mckeen/mckeen.html
We also saw these little rail motors:
http://www.victorianrailways.net/motive power/aec.html
And then these:
http://www.victorianrailways.net/motive power/leyland.html
And then late 1920s saw the VR's version of the 'doodlebug':
http://www.victorianrailways.net/motive power/derm.html
The last one was regularly seen hauling 2 or 3 goods wagons (with 6 wheel guards van) on branchline trains, although I've been told they were fairly gutless...
I'll do some research, but I'm pretty sure things like TACL (Tractor Appliance Co Ltd), Malcome Moores, and similar were 1920s or 1930s builds for logging tramways in Vic...
Zec
There was also the McKeen railmotors:
http://www.victorianrailways.net/motive power/mckeen/mckeen.html
We also saw these little rail motors:
http://www.victorianrailways.net/motive power/aec.html
And then these:
http://www.victorianrailways.net/motive power/leyland.html
And then late 1920s saw the VR's version of the 'doodlebug':
http://www.victorianrailways.net/motive power/derm.html
The last one was regularly seen hauling 2 or 3 goods wagons (with 6 wheel guards van) on branchline trains, although I've been told they were fairly gutless...
I'll do some research, but I'm pretty sure things like TACL (Tractor Appliance Co Ltd), Malcome Moores, and similar were 1920s or 1930s builds for logging tramways in Vic...
Zec
That's sort of what I'm after, narrow gauge units powered by single cylinder engines.
WileeCoyote
Eatibus Almost Anythingus
Assuming diesel-fired engines can also be classed as internal combustions engines - and I see no reason why they shouldn't - then I do know of one or two from way back when.
Germany started toying around with diesel locomotives before the first world war, simply to see whether diesel engines could be efficiently employed in locomotives to begin with. In my opinion, the first "real" diesel locomotive was delivered to the Prussian state railways in 1912 (give or take a year). It was a real first, being the first diesel locomotive with a power output of 1000HP and one of the earliest general-purpose diesel-fired locomotives built for standard gauge lines. Aside from this I've not really found a lot of documentation, and suffice to say I don't even know how long it was in service.
Germany's second "big" attempt at producing a diesel locomotive, namely in the form of a diesel-hydraulic came about with the V 140, which was built upon the DRG's wishes that:
1. It could pull freight trains of 500 tons in weight up a 1 in 100 grade at 30km/h
2. It could attain and keep a maximum speed of 100km/h
3. It could be used in push/pull service.
4. It would have doors on the ends of the cabs so as to provide access to the cars on the so called Stückgut-Schnellverkehrszüge, more or less express freight trains that shipped stuff in boxes or so otherwise general cargo.
Having been introduced at the 1937 Paris World's Fair, it remained in active service until 1953, its only reason for withdrawal from the DB's active roster being that since only one locomotive was actually made there weren't really any spare parts lying around.
Also of note is that the V 140 was the first diesel-hydraulic locomotive with a power output of 1000 kW.
Since then Germany's diesel locomotives have for the most part been diesel-hydraulics, the ultimate culmination of that being the locomotives of the V 160 class family, many of which are still in service today despite their age (upwards of 40 years in some cases).
WileeCoyote
Germany started toying around with diesel locomotives before the first world war, simply to see whether diesel engines could be efficiently employed in locomotives to begin with. In my opinion, the first "real" diesel locomotive was delivered to the Prussian state railways in 1912 (give or take a year). It was a real first, being the first diesel locomotive with a power output of 1000HP and one of the earliest general-purpose diesel-fired locomotives built for standard gauge lines. Aside from this I've not really found a lot of documentation, and suffice to say I don't even know how long it was in service.
Germany's second "big" attempt at producing a diesel locomotive, namely in the form of a diesel-hydraulic came about with the V 140, which was built upon the DRG's wishes that:
1. It could pull freight trains of 500 tons in weight up a 1 in 100 grade at 30km/h
2. It could attain and keep a maximum speed of 100km/h
3. It could be used in push/pull service.
4. It would have doors on the ends of the cabs so as to provide access to the cars on the so called Stückgut-Schnellverkehrszüge, more or less express freight trains that shipped stuff in boxes or so otherwise general cargo.
Having been introduced at the 1937 Paris World's Fair, it remained in active service until 1953, its only reason for withdrawal from the DB's active roster being that since only one locomotive was actually made there weren't really any spare parts lying around.
Also of note is that the V 140 was the first diesel-hydraulic locomotive with a power output of 1000 kW.
Since then Germany's diesel locomotives have for the most part been diesel-hydraulics, the ultimate culmination of that being the locomotives of the V 160 class family, many of which are still in service today despite their age (upwards of 40 years in some cases).
WileeCoyote
I think I've seen that one. It has a Fordson engine and gearbox.
this is what the shingle bolt hauler looked like before the logging railroad repurposed her. http://www.ladysmithhistoricalsociety.org/artifactour/images/fordson.jpg
jadebullet
might be back?
The Philidelphia and Reading had the second and third operational diesel locomotives in the country.
http://www.readingmodeler.com/modules.php?name=Encyclopedia&op=content&tid=44
http://www.readingmodeler.com/modules.php?name=Encyclopedia&op=content&tid=44
I really like that little logging tractor.
Alco/GE/Ingersoll-Rand combined in the 1920's to experiment with diesel engines. Here's the first demonstrator of 1924: http://www.cnwhs.org/ageir/ageir.html GE had built a previous locomotive in 1917 which was used as a parts supply for the new engine.
In 1918 GE completed an armored locomotive for the trenches of France.
In 1913 they built a gasoline powered box-cab which was restored a few years ago. It's on the Berliner website: http://home.att.net/~Berliner-Ultrasonics/boxdp100.html#100-DATA
Claude
Alco/GE/Ingersoll-Rand combined in the 1920's to experiment with diesel engines. Here's the first demonstrator of 1924: http://www.cnwhs.org/ageir/ageir.html GE had built a previous locomotive in 1917 which was used as a parts supply for the new engine.
In 1918 GE completed an armored locomotive for the trenches of France.
In 1913 they built a gasoline powered box-cab which was restored a few years ago. It's on the Berliner website: http://home.att.net/~Berliner-Ultrasonics/boxdp100.html#100-DATA
ClaudeJohnda1237
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"I may finish it before the end of the summer."
Wow, I sure hope you can do that, and have a model lettered for the Long Island Railroad. That Brill "1134" ran on a branch line between Sag Harbor, NY and Bridgehampton, NY. The branch line was once the main line until the LIRR branched out to Montauk from Bridgehampton. There's another special reason that i would love to see it available in Trainz.. My grandfather was the conductor on that car. There's a picture of three men standing beside "1134" The engineer, an executive of the LIRR and my grandfather. He and my grandmother passed away before I was born, unfortunately, so I never had the chance to talk to them about those days.
Wow, I sure hope you can do that, and have a model lettered for the Long Island Railroad. That Brill "1134" ran on a branch line between Sag Harbor, NY and Bridgehampton, NY. The branch line was once the main line until the LIRR branched out to Montauk from Bridgehampton. There's another special reason that i would love to see it available in Trainz.. My grandfather was the conductor on that car. There's a picture of three men standing beside "1134" The engineer, an executive of the LIRR and my grandfather. He and my grandmother passed away before I was born, unfortunately, so I never had the chance to talk to them about those days.
Wessex_Electric_Nutter
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This is a real interesting question to ask, as what was there around at the time? To be honest, not a lot, most of the internal combustion engine, mounted on rail vehicles tended to be on converted buses(!). Finding records for non standard equipment around this time, seems to be difficult to find, but there are some interesting stuff to look at when you can find it.
The London, Brighton & South Coast Railway (LB&SCR) started using petrol railcars around 1904, for if I recall correctly, the Kemp Town branch in Brighton, they however ended up being used for the south London electrification in 1909, used as works cars.
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Col Stephens had a number of railways that were defined as Light Railways, so used 2 different types of railbuses (They were quite widespread on his network). The first was a Ford Model T convert, its slightly out of the era, around 1928, but later has been known to purchase Shefflex sets. A model of the Shefflex set is available on the DLS under my user name.
The Ford buses looked a lot like these. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=21596&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=25
Interestingly, most of the railways had 1 railbus each, except the Selsey Tramway, which had 2, one Ford, one Shefflex set, both usually stabled at Selsey shed, although they also included a luggage trailer, which was used for several uses, if it wasn't the PWay gang, it could be used for milk, animals and even extra seating capacity, despite not having any seats!
On what later became the LNER, this might be of interest: http://www.lner.info/locos/Railcar/railcar.shtml
The London, Brighton & South Coast Railway (LB&SCR) started using petrol railcars around 1904, for if I recall correctly, the Kemp Town branch in Brighton, they however ended up being used for the south London electrification in 1909, used as works cars.
(Photo unavailable)
Col Stephens had a number of railways that were defined as Light Railways, so used 2 different types of railbuses (They were quite widespread on his network). The first was a Ford Model T convert, its slightly out of the era, around 1928, but later has been known to purchase Shefflex sets. A model of the Shefflex set is available on the DLS under my user name.
The Ford buses looked a lot like these. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=21596&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=25
Interestingly, most of the railways had 1 railbus each, except the Selsey Tramway, which had 2, one Ford, one Shefflex set, both usually stabled at Selsey shed, although they also included a luggage trailer, which was used for several uses, if it wasn't the PWay gang, it could be used for milk, animals and even extra seating capacity, despite not having any seats!
On what later became the LNER, this might be of interest: http://www.lner.info/locos/Railcar/railcar.shtml