Diesel Locmotives will go in sometime...:/
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norfolksouthern37
what's a normal map?
very doubtful.
Links to supporting documents please.
Links for the source:
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_long_before_the_world_runs_out_of_oil?#slide=8
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/5945678/
http://www.theinsider.org/news/article.asp?id=0423
http://news.discovery.com/earth/global-warming/how-much-fossil-fuel-is-in-the-earth.htm
http://www.theguardian.com/science/2005/apr/21/oilandpetrol.news
Oil companies are not releasing any information about How much Oil is left but scientist predict that it is less than 40 years.
So do not exploit natural resources.
What the hell i can't listen to Diesel engines chugging 40 years from now...:'(
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But diesel fuel doesn't have to come from petroleum. There are other sources of this form of fuel oil such as vegetable oils, waste products, seaweed, mulch, crop waste, etc. Of course the oil companies aren't going to divulge their business. If everyone knew what games they were playing, they couldn't charge the premium for what oil there is. It's called a trade secret and if you think about it, it's not much different than Microsoft showing its code for Windows for everyone to see.
John
John
Yeah but we need other technology...Fossil fuels have triggered GLOBAL WARMING...:/
Microsoft is hackable...
..No secret required...lmao..Make a recording now so you can enjoy it later.
I think that's what they invented video for in the first place: To be able to look back at something later.
I don't see the problem. Are you just making topic's to moan about stuff or is there actually a real problem here to discuss?
It's a problem mate try reading it harder...
I am talking about real life...In real life we can't see this engines 40 years from now.
It's not moaning...I want to drive one of these Locomotives(WDP4D and WDM 3D)...its passion and not moaning.
Everything you like...you just watch the video of it...right?
I you were not able to drive a diesel train within the next 40 years, it is not going to happen anyway, so yes, you are moaning
.So far, you have not even been able to register your version of trainz or get the game legally, so I doubt you have any perseverance to get behind the controls of a real engine.
Scientist are also saying our Star is getting hotter as it runs out of fuel which is also another factor to Global Warming, Australia gets the worst of it as we have 45+c temps, it's not just one day it's sometimes holds like that for a full week.
Diesel engines are also cleaner than car engines due to their low rpm ranges than a petrol engine.
Diesel engines are also cleaner than car engines due to their low rpm ranges than a petrol engine.
I you were not able to drive a diesel train within the next 40 years, it is not going to happen anyway, so yes, you are moaning
So far, you have not even been able to register your version of trainz or get the game legally, so I doubt you have any perseverance to get behind the controls of a real engine.
Well I bought Train simulator 2014 ...because of the same name...:/
And I had been in WDP4D Locomotive....So I completed some part of my dream ..you say whats up with you...
JackClare1995
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Scientists were saying the same thing 40 years ago, and yet here we are with diesel and petroleum. If (and I mean a huge if) oil does begin to show signs of depletion, governments will ban all gas car travel to save fuel for trains and planes. By then, electric trains and Hydrogen cars will be the norm anyway, two very easy-to-acquire substances (once the technology has been perfected!)
Fear not, fellow diesel locomotive/multiple unit lover!
Fear not, fellow diesel locomotive/multiple unit lover!
Oil companies are not releasing any information and govt can't ban it mate because we depend on it largely and we have no better technology for our vehicles to run.
Wee need some new technology for exchange for fuel.
JackClare1995
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You never know in 40 years. We have a few decent methods of keeping things moving, governments need to just get their heads out of their ****'s and start funding it.
Cars/Buses (anything with tyres): Bio-fuel, Hydrogen, Electricity
Trains/Trams: Electricity
Planes: Bio-fuel/Avgas mixtures
Boats: Hydrogen, Bio-fuel, Electricity
I used to be anti-electric trains but since the old diesel line next to my house was converted to electric Light Rail operation, I've become very fond of Electric Multiple Units. Electric trains really are the future.
As for steam trains, as you say coal will be around for ages
Cars/Buses (anything with tyres): Bio-fuel, Hydrogen, Electricity
Trains/Trams: Electricity
Planes: Bio-fuel/Avgas mixtures
Boats: Hydrogen, Bio-fuel, Electricity
I used to be anti-electric trains but since the old diesel line next to my house was converted to electric Light Rail operation, I've become very fond of Electric Multiple Units. Electric trains really are the future.
As for steam trains, as you say coal will be around for ages
norfolksouthern37
what's a normal map?
don't get so caught up in it. they don't really know when how or if this will happen. to react the way you are is simply naive. you show me anything they have predicted that came about to be true to the letter. let's just approach it with conscious thought to be conservative and surely a new technology will come about that will obsolete anything that may seem like it will cause a problem today. i predict one day that we will wonder what to do with all the extra fossil fuels he have... hows that for a prediction?
cascaderailroad
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Some of us don't really need to worry about the future, as we will be gone by that time, ...and the ones left, may not have to be worried about it either, as they will also pass ... and the future of Trainz, PC games will pale into insignificance ... as you won't even be playing video games in 2037, and beyond.
Play Trainz while we are here ... and just enjoy ... nothing lasts forever !
Play Trainz while we are here ... and just enjoy ... nothing lasts forever !
Locomotives are Technically Electric as it's an Engine that turns a Generator and that is distributed through the electrical cabnets to the motors, the only difference is one runs of overheads and another runs of a engine, but do the same things.
But as I said before, not all oil/diesel comes from fossil fuels. It can come from bio-degradable sources, renewable resources such as seaweed and grass, even sugar cane can be used for many things. As far as being a dirty fuel, there are different levels of quality with the fossil fuels. Anthracite coal, the hard black coal found in eastern Pennsylvania, and parts of the United Kingdom are among a couple of places I can think of, is a very clean burning coal. The flame is pure blue, meaning it's a very efficient flame and doesn't pollute as bad is the Bituminous or soft coal. Coal doesn't have to be burned directly and can be heated enough to produce a gas which is used as a fuel. There are also various grades of petroleum, which is amongst the dirtiest of the fossil fuels. The sour-crude, which is high in sulphur burns dirty and is expensive to refine, while the sweet crude is cleaner burning and easy to refine, which makes it more expensive. This is all about processing and getting the biggest buck out of everything. I'm not saying the fossil fuel is the best, but it can be managed and made to burn efficiently and cleanly if the money is spent on it. Like anything who wants to spend money on something that can easily be done with shortcuts. I do agree that we should also be looking for other fuel sources at the same time as well as improving what is known to work well right now. We can't just cut cold turkey as that would leave everything in a lurch.
As far as oil industry conspiracies. Sure they're going to protect their sources. If you had the control on something would you tell everyone how much was left? There could be a lot more out there than they are eluding to and using the so-called shortages as an excuse to raise the price. Let's face it, some country leader has a hissy fit somewhere and the price goes up. Much of this is driven, however, not by the oil companies themselves, but by our lovely investment brokers on the commodities market where investors make a lot of money on commodity price fluctuations. This can affect the economy anywhere in the world as the prices of fuel affects the costs of everything from manufacturing goods to the consumer consumption.
This is more of a complete package and isn't just the dirty fuel. Using some manufactured parts as an example, let's take a look at the supply chain effect here. A company makes widgets of some kind. They procure their components from China or perhaps somewhere in South America. The cost would be a few pennies to import the large quantities on a normal basis. Some country leader has a hissy fit and the Wall Street commodity brokers see a risk opportunity to cash in on this and raise the price of oil from $100 per barrel to $125 overnight. The shipper, who uses spot fuel prices to set his costs, had negotiated a price contract months prior so his costs don't go up initially. Everything is good for a few months, then things start to hit. The widgets which once cost a few dollars to make now cost a substantial amount more as the shipper has just raised his shipping and handling cost. The manufacturer passes this on to the consumer, and to add insult to injury, he also passes on any increased shipping costs from his distribution warehouse to the stores. This in turn raises the price the consumers pay. The circle also gets tighter... As the price of fuel now has gone up, the cost of gasoline goes up, which drives up the shipping and driving costs for everyone, which in turn drives up the prices of fuel and other consumer goods including food, clothing, and of course travel. This rise in base costs will hurt the economy as the consumer now has a substantially less amount of money to spend on goods, and spends most of the earnings on the basics of food, fuel, and mortgage. This cut back in consumer spending hurts the manufacturer who made the widgets because no one is buying them anymore, both because the cost too much now, and because they're spending their money just to get by every day. The airlines and railroads suffer because they've lost not just consumers traveling but also their freight business, which they make a lot more on anyway.
As you can see there's a lot more to the big picture than just the oil companies. I agree, as I said here that we should look for alternatives, but that process is long and research is expensive. Let's face it. Oil has been around for a very long time and it's difficult to change to something new.
John
Yeah John
The thing I wanna say is that some say that Bio-Diesel cost more than Petroleum Diesel.
I also don't want the PETROLEUM to deplete. I was just reading blogs and I found this thing on a news website so just informed you guys.
We never know mate what will happen ... people are always on the dark side.Extra fossil fuel thing....i think if we burn all the fossil fuel(not the extra ones) I think polar ice caps will melt decreasing our shorelines....next generation need to transform in mermaids...lol...:hehe: