Dangerous Crossings

MAGLEVSX

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Hi It's MAGLEVSX here with With a another sad report and does make me angry that people get killed because the goverment spend more money on how buildings look then boom gates but after the 2nd crash I think thay thought about whats going on... (sorry its a bit late I was holiday)

A YOUNG preschool teacher who was about to be married died when her small car was crushed after being hit by a V/Line train.
Kay Stanley stood no chance when she drove her Volkswagen Beetle across railway tracks as the train approached Tyabb station yesterday morning.
Despite efforts by the train's driver to slow down, the train slammed into the VW's driver's door, dragging it more than 200m along the track.
Wedged under the front of the train, the little car then slammed into the station platform, where it was completely crushed between concrete and train.
Ms Stanley, 32, died at the scene while the shocked train driver and his traumatised passengers were removed from the diesel and two carriages, and later offered counselling.
Engaged to be married, Ms Stanley, 32, was believed to have been on her way to work at the Tyabb pre-school where she had been employed since last year.
Officer-in-charge at Hasting police, Sen-Sgt Steve Iddles, said lights and bells were working at the Mornington-Tyabb Rd crossing at 10.23am when the accident happened.
More than two dozen police, CFA and SES crews spent more than five hours at the scene.
Shocked Tyabb residents, angry the crossing does not have boom gates, stared in disbelief and distress as what was left of the car was eventually towed away.
Somerville Towing operator Ross Duff gingerly reversed his tow truck along the railway tracks to get close to the crumpled car.
"There's not enough of it left to call it a wreck," he said.
Horrified tourists and locals alike watched as emergency service workers hung tarpaulins around the crash scene to block the disturbing sight.
Tyabb shift supervisor Earle Sellers, 57, said he believed the crossing was an accident waiting to happen.
"Motorists travelling east along Mornington-Tyabb Rd usually have the sun in their eyes in the morning and are most likely to be concentrating on the more noticeable traffic lights just ahead of the crossing," Mr Sellers said.
"It happened recently that my wife Linda told me she'd almost had an accident with the train after approaching the crossing without really noticing the train approaching, because she was more focused on the traffic lights ahead of it."
Mr Sellers said boom gates were the only way to prevent a similar accident at a couple of rail crossings in the area.
A state government spokeswoman said the crossing had already been earmarked for upgrading with boom gates in the 2007-08 VicTrack program.

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Crumpled: all that was left of the Volkswagen. Picture: Peter Ward


HERES ANOTHER ON DANGEROUS CROSSINGS (this one happend yesterday)
A 48-YEAR-OLD woman died after her car collided with a train at a crossing near Bendigo yesterday, on the same rail line on which 11 people were killed at Kerang last year.
The woman's Holden Commodore was dragged 500m after being hit by a V/Line train at the Hocking Rd crossing, 2km south of Dingee, north of Bendigo -- about 80km from last year's tragedy.
A V/Line spokeswoman said the crash with the 1pm train from Swan Hill occurred about 2.30pm.
The train's driver and conductor were unharmed, as were 63 passengers, who were transferred to a bus.
A Rural Ambulance spokesman said the crossing was not controlled by lights, bells or a gate, but did have signs.
Fire trucks were called as the train, carrying four passenger carriages from Swan Hill to Bendigo, ruptured a diesel tank.
On Monday Kay Stanley, 32, a preschool teacher, was killed when her car and a train collided at Tyabb station.
Most years eight to 10 people die at Victorian rail crossings but Department of Infrastructure says up to 130 "near misses" occurred last year.
Opposition transport spokesman Terry Mulder said of the 98 level crossings between Swan Hill and Bendigo, 71 had only warning signs and no other safety measures.
"These collisions are tearing the heart out of country Victoria," Mr Mulder said.
"Across Victoria, there are 1437 level crossings with only warning signs. Each one is a potential death trap."
Public Transport Minister Lynne Kosky last week said a contract had been awarded for the installation of rumble strips at 180 level crossings.
The project is part of a $33.2 million package to improve safety measures after the Kerang disaster.
Anyone travelling to or from Swan Hill today should call 136 196 for the latest service information, and anyone involved in yesterday's accident can call V/Line Customer Relations on 1800 800 120.

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These stories make extremely sad reading, but I don't hold with the idea of your government being to blame - apart from making it relatively easy to obtain a car driving licence and not alerting people to the dangers of being distracted - and that is the same around the world!

Level crossings, in any country in the world, are dangerous whether with boom gates, lights and sirens or just simply left ungated! You should see the idiots here trying to beat the gates as soon as the red lights start flashing! And then pedestrians duck under the barriers and run in front of the trains!

Educating car drivers in how to deal with rail crossings is the answer - "Stop, Look, Listen" are the watchwords for ungated crossings!
 
Not everyone stops at crossing. I've seen people, or should I say idiots
do what sterrett said try and to beat the train, Just to save time.
But thanks to people who stop no problem...

(I mean who Would'nt stop to watch a train go bye:hehe: )
 
I've even seen people here in Adelaide get bored of waiting, and after the gates had been down for a minute or two, and no train had come through, simply drive round them... Frankly I was gobsmacked!

Paul
 
dangerous crossing's.

hi, some here in UK,when it comes to realising that there is only 4 minutes
difference between here and hereafter,it's too late!!.seem's some of us have not a second to spare.
 
Hate to sound callous, but it seems like a perfect example of Darwinism. The stupid who cross without waiting gets killed, while the smart don't. I have absouletely no sympathy for those who try to beat the train. Hell, I commute everyday on the train and I won't shed a tear if my train gets delayed if it hits an idiot in the crossings. Its because these people should know better than to do that and inconvience everybody on the train.

While we're at it, why not light a match to see what happens? Leave computers unattended and have other users exploit your logged on account? Point a gun at your head while playing with it? And so on. Really, we should let Darwinism run its course and eliminate the stupidest amongst us.

Again, I don't mean to sound callous, but I just have no sympathy for those kinds of stupidity and people. If they wise up, then I'll consider giving them my sympathy.
 
I actually did some research on UK level crossings as part of my A-level course in Systems and Control, and [almost] the only thing wrong with a level crossing is the motorists attitude towards them. The only way to eradicate deaths at level crossings is to eradicate the crossings themselves, and I certainly don't advocate that.

This may interest some people, stating that in 99% of all cases, the road user misusing the crossing was to blame for level crossing accidents.
http://www.networkrailmediacentre.c...easeID=1811&NewsAreaID=22&SearchCategoryID=-1

This too may interest some, and really hits home the message: http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/imagelibrary/downloadMedia.asp?MediaDetailsID=179 (select "open" when the dialogue appears)

One more link, containing all you really need to know [ie the basics] about UK level crossings: http://www.rail-reg.gov.uk/upload/pdf/rspg-2e-levxngs.pdf

To sum it up, here's a brief extract from my study's conclusions. I stress that as examination material it should be considered copyrighted and should not be reproduced without permission.
I have found that Network Rail is no longer permitted to build new crossings – only upgrade existing ones. This means that in only a handful of decades level crossings may become a rarity, entering into the domain of those dedicated to preserving a bit of railway history at preserved railways. Automatic crossings are already favoured by many groups as they operate without being manned.

Of course, as shown by the evidence the legislation is prone to change as a result of pressure from users, so perhaps they may become more common again. The only fault with the existing system is the attitude of road users, who become impatient. Rational thinking should prevent users from running red lights to save a few seconds (would you run a set of red traffic lights?), but it doesn’t. I have to admit I don’t understand why, and I think until the engineers do Network Rail won’t be able to change the attitudes of road users.

Bearing this in mind, I am impressed with how the designers have made these crossings as safe as they can. They are now incredibly complex machines, with every detail geared towards making the crossing safer for all users. An example of this is the knock-out bolt that fixes the crossing barrier to the counterweight. Many users will not even know of its existence, but it is sacrificed in the event of an accident to prevent more damage occurring from the broken barrier.
Whether you agree with this statement or not I don't mind, but the point I am making is that until motorists, pedestrians and users of other transport change their attitudes, there is nothing any government can do to prevent accidents.

I should add, that there is a type of level crossing in Britain with full barriers (as in many other countries) - the road users cannot drive around these, but they are manned (albeit remotely by the signalmen in the powerboxes) and as such incur wage costs on top of their mainenance costs.

I think in conclusion to this post, I should use one of my favourite quotes:
A 90 kilogram man will make little difference to a 90 tonne train, but the 90 tonne train will make a significant difference to the 90 kilogram man.

Finally, there are limits on how long the crossings are permitted to be closed for - with Automatic Half Barrier Crossings (for example - I'm not going to waffle on about all types here and now) 95% of all trains should have cleared the level crossing within 75s of the start of the sequence (in reality this figure is even better), but they may not cross less than 27s after the start of the sequence. If another train is coming, the barriers obviously remain closed (and the warbler tone changes - not a lot of people know that) but the barriers have to lift after that by implication, because automatic crossings can only be used on 1- or 2-track railways. If the barriers lift, there must be enough time before the next train to allow the road to be open for 30s, plus the time needed to operate the sequence (27s), meaning that if a queue builds up it should have enough time to get through before the next train. In total, in over 90% of circumstances, the longest the barriers can be down for is 180s (75s+30s+75s). If three minutes is going to make the difference to your day, then you're a sad, sad person with other lifestyle changes to make. In fact, just get out of bed 3m earlier to make sure you get through before the train!

Regards (and happy motoring)
BidMod

PS - Veristek - it does sound callous, but I'm inclined to agree. All of the studies I looked at suggested that the main European countries have a much better attitude towards safety, meaning that whilst the crossings still take advantage of the latest technology it is rarely tested. The full-barrier crossings are only on the main intercity routes (due to the speeds of the trains), compared to Britain which has to have them on a lot of country backwaters because the attitude from the locals towards them is dangerous.
 
My questin is, why would you rather save a few minutes than your life? :(

What the heck people, think please :o

Mike
 
I think there is a bit of a difference between the situation here and in the UK. The UK has very few un-barriered crossings, and most of these are on little used lines and quiet roads. Pretty much all of these would have lights. Gross stupidity is about the only way you can end up on the wrong side of the barrier with a train coming.

Here in Australia, outside major cities, relatively main roads cross railway lines with either lights only, or just signs. Train frequency may be only one or two a day. In this situation, it's much easier to see how these kind of things happen here (especially if the standard of driving is as low in rural Vic as it is in Adelaide...:o ).

Paul
 
Sterrett -

I agree with you too when it comes to the car driver, but the case when there are innocent passengers caught in the car with the stupid driver, that's when I feel bad. It's not their fault that they are in the way of a moving train.

What gets me is the way the media always brings this up as being the railroad's fault and not that of the stupid automobile driver.

John
 
Because of their size, people often misjudge the speed of the train as it approaches the crossing. From a pedestrian's perspective, a train approaching at 40 MPH may appear to be traveling at 15 MPH making the person think that they have time to cross in front of it, often with disastrous results. This is why many cities are advocating the addition of double barriers to prevent motorists and pedestrian traffic from circumventing the safeguards.
 
I think waht BidMod and sfrr is saying abouslty correct.
I can show you why...
(Two kids get killed just to save time sad)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMvtDNATP04

sfrr (My questin is, why would you rather save a few minutes than your life?
What the heck people, think please
Mike.)

sfrr I dont know.

JCitron (What gets me is the way the media always brings this up as being the railroad's fault and not that of the stupid automobile driver.)

Thats what really makes me angry.

Veristek (we should let Darwinism run its course and eliminate the stupidest amongst us.
Again, I don't mean to sound callous, but I just have no sympathy for those kinds of stupidity and people. If they wise up, then I'll consider giving them my sympathy.)

(Just watch The video above)
 
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Hi al

From What I have seen in Victoria, lots of crssing that are only protected by lights, unless something really bad happens like here at Traralgon they won't fit boom gates, took some one to be killed.

The worst thing that happens here and probly happens everywhere else is people racing the Trains from crossing to crossing. Had a really bad one at F.T.Gully when I lived there in the early 80's. So some crossings that might not be dangerous end up being that way because of stupid public and not because of trans or the local ralways / roads.

People should learn you can't cut off something so heavy as a train and even people cutting off melbourne Trams is bad here and thing there gong to stop quick, its just not going to happen and there going to loose.

Tom
 
tdstead Think it comes down to that.
my message is STOP LOOK LISTEN AND LIVE
Thats what idiots need to know.
Saving a few minutes or a life what would you choose... (really how dumb can you get!)

If someone stupid dies at crossing its there fault...
execpt if your normal a passenger.

I rest my case... MAGLEVSX...
 
While real people in real cars get killed (eventually), the folks in Trainz obviously don't give a damn. I come across quite a few crossings on my route where the train is already across the grade crossing, Carz go right through the gate, and right through the train. I don't know how this is happening.

Talk about playing God. :hehe:
 
Good to end on a happy note thanks...
Its the ghost of the crossing jumpers :hehe:
MAGLEVSX...
 
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While real people in real cars get killed (eventually), the folks in Trainz obviously don't give a damn. I come across quite a few crossings on my route where the train is already across the grade crossing, Carz go right through the gate, and right through the train. I don't know how this is happening.

Talk about playing God. :hehe:

Happily for them, they have as little substance as sense. Don't be put off, though, as MSTS also has these 'ghost' cars. Maybe Kudu's Railroad Simulator will let us bounce these around.
 
While real people in real cars get killed (eventually), the folks in Trainz obviously don't give a damn. I come across quite a few crossings on my route where the train is already across the grade crossing, Carz go right through the gate, and right through the train. I don't know how this is happening.

Talk about playing God. :hehe:

I've actually had a few of them speed up to get around the gates as they were going down. During a drive awhile ago I was moving along at about 20 mph on an old rusty branchline, when a little red Volkswagon went around a white van that was stopping at the crossing and kept going as the gates came down. I was blowing the horn like crazy, but the driver ignored me and kept going. ;)

Joh
 
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