Bill S.978 - Death to Trainz videos?

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juhis

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It's been come to my attention that there has been some discussion about new bill for the USA that would made it illegal to publish videos about video games to the internet. I first heard about this from Notch under this link and it seems like USA Trainz players will not be able to publish those videos in the internet.

What do you think about this new bill? Sound off in this topic to let everyone know!
 
Yeah, it's very dangerous. The idea is to criminalize what had been a matter usually relegated to civil courts, and at a felony level no less. The best thing to do is write both of your state's senators and write them a polite letter (don't waste your time with emails or petitions - they mean NOTHING ZILCH ZERO) and tell them you oppose this legislation.
 
Panic attack

G'ay,

I've read that post about that bill. for one thing it says "under certain circumstances". Then again, you can't trust the US government.

I would argue that posting vids of your own Trainz routes would be copyrighted content, onless you yourself slap a copyright on your route or session.

I inagine that that bill is more directed towards people who upload parts of movies and TV programs on YouTube and similar sites.

It is also doubtull wether posting videos of your games sessions from any game can strictly be construed as copyright infringement.

E.C

P.S.: After watching the vid on youtube and reading the small print in it, it states among other things that you have to make at least $25000 a year from posting videos before any prosecution will take place. So as they say here in Oz, "no worries mate".
Ans to quote the Hitchikers Guide To The Galaxy: "DONT PANIC!"
 
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juhis said:
It's been come to my attention that there has been some discussion about new bill for the USA that would made it illegal to publish videos about video games to the internet. I first heard about this from Notch under this link and it seems like USA Trainz players will not be able to publish those videos in the internet.

What do you think about this new bill? Sound off in this topic to let everyone know!
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If the above is true, then the game industry will suffer in the long run, I use youtube to watch video gameplay, to see what the game is like, graphics and gameplay wise, and whether to buy it or not, without the advertisement of the games being played on youtube, then I will not buy.

It is the same with movies and music videos, I always take a sneak peak into a film, to see what it is like before I buy, or listen to a song, to know I have the right song before I buy, without the videos on youtube, there will be little point in me visiting the youtube site, which in turn could lead to a domino effect on youtube and the gaming industry itself.

Joe Airtime
 
Ive seen many games producers use youtube themselves for advertising. Does that mean they will be prosecuted as well? cus they certainly make a lot more than 25k from them in sales.
 
It's all been covered in your End User License Agreement...(EULA)

:cool: Never Fear. United States of America Senate Bill S.978 is sponsored by the motion-picture and recording artist's industry & overrules nothing specifically mentioned in your EULA for any purpose, in any game.

If your a serious Trainzer, you will have no problem because you won't have time to download anyone's copy written material...:hehe:

Repeat, this is a protection for copy written material to support cases where file-sharing is done illegally.

Read your NV3 Trainz EULA for clarification.
 
...blew my shirt away...

:cool: I gotta tell you Ed, Brickbuilder took a map I made of the Lakeland, Florida area, along with the Port of Tampa.

There is a crossing at Fish Hatchery Road in East Lakeland on the former ACL/SCL (the A-Line), he posted a video of a CSX Stack train wb through there that took me back so hard I thought for a second I was watching a live video!

I lived about 3-miles east of there (Carters) and I began to loath the job I was doing at the time! Talking about a flashback!

My big beef is hornsounds & bells...especially with the new feature of "Doppler-effect."

Dude! A couple of toots & three bells are good enough!

But you remember & also can dig-up model railroads that are no where near finished, with brand-new(unweathered) equipment...same with train simulation.

I was asked if I could build a HSR across TN from Memphis Airport via Nashville, Knoxville to Bristol...the terrain changes are so dramatic that it's not really feasible, since the grades would slow the train down to about 30-mph.

I thought about the presentation straight from a Trainz Installation, however the EULA disallows that.

I figured a video of the action would do, but I would still need to obtain authorization from NV3 to present or sell the video...feedback on this would be good here....!:wave:

Happy Independance Day!
 
backyard said:
Read your NV3 Trainz EULA for clarification.
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*shrug*

There's nothing in there that I can see that expressly allows or expressly forbids user produced videos of trainz being uploaded anywhere.

Perhaps you're confusing the part where Auran/N3V claim ownership of all videos and other media *supplied with* the copy of trainz. But that certainly doesn't include videos produced after the fact by the user.
 
This bill definitely smells of movie industry pushing their weight around again, which is getting less and less as people buy fewer move DVDs, which are made less and less, and go to the movies less and less. With better technology coming along, they get into a snit every time and try to get laws passed. Many years ago, they went into outright panic mode when cassette tapes and VCRs came out. Now it's movies made in games.

What are they going to do, shutdown Joe home-user from video-taping his kid's birthday party because it's not done in a professional studio? If anything, they'll get Sony and other companies to make less that high-quality equipment for the hobby user so that the video-quality doesn't compete.

Anyway, this type of thing will make it to the higher courts and get overturned, I'm sure. This to me is violation of free speech because model railroaders and train simulator users, have as much right to create videos of their creations, just as a big movie producer in Hollywood. These are our creations just as are those from the professional movie studios. This is no different from professional musicians and graphic artists preventing non-professionals from performing, or creating paintings and other graphics as long as it's done in a non-copyright violating way.


I'd ignore the bill for now.

John
 
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Problem is that this bill will eventually be expanded, as similar legislation usually is. That's how stuff like this gets passed. Pass a measure that only applies to people who make at least $25,000 a year posting videos. No problem! All of us can go along with that. Then amend that to those making $10,000 a year. You still won't get many complaints (besides, the people who tried to make $25,000+ are now criminals anyway). Then lower that limit to $5,000, then $500, then $250. And then $0.
 
Who gets paid?

:cool: The main push of all this is the protection of revenue to all concerned parties.

Performing Artists in my opinion deserve compensation for their talent!

Remember that the corporate backing that brought the artists to the stage need to be compensated for their contributions also.

Just because Garth or Katie did well & sold millions in product does not mean the Indy & starting artists should loose as well. Trading movies & albums as bootlegged means someone is not getting paid.

The only comparison that applies here is that if you obtain a copy of Trainz downloaded over the Internet as a torrent, without purchasing the product legitimately. I doubt that will happen much because Trainz know needs to connect with the main database to function Content Manager.

Entertainment companies must protect their copywriter's material.
 
backyard said:
Performing Artists in my opinion deserve compensation for their talent!
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From what I've seen of the crap released today (Lady Gag Gag, Will I Am a Loser, any WRAP song...etc...) I'd just as soon see them all go broke!
 
Euphod said:
From what I've seen of the crap released today (Lady Gag Gag, Will I Am a Loser, any WRAP song...etc...) I'd just as soon see them all go broke!
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I can't agree more, Ed! I am a classically trained musician and gag(a) every time I hear that C-rap on the television. No loss as far as I'm concerned either.

The sad part is the artists really don't make a lot of money. It's he promoters and publishers do instead. From what I've read and heard, it's always been this way even back in Mozart's and Haydn's time. The only difference back then was no royalties. They were paid once by the publisher, per work based on contract, and the contractual demands were pretty tough. I'm sure the contracts are tough to day for the professional gig players as well.


John
 
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