Another railcar for the UK

yipppppppppppeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

I just feel that I have to register my satisfaction at the almost total lack of interest in this post! Excellent!

John
 
Never was a "Bog Cart" man myself, and when that banal flying banana they called the "HST" displaced the beloved Deltics (all hail to the almighty), it was the last straw. :'(
 
Not a fan of units (as i call them) myself either. Give me a good old loco and rolling stock. Preferable something from the Eastern Region, and getting a little bit more specific, a Gresley design.

Rob
 
I can't get excited about yet another "DMU" albeit a quick one!!. I must agree with Rob, a train to me is about having a loco and a rake of coaches whether it be a "kettle" or my favourite a diesel, especially a 40 on full chat.

chrisw27:)

ps. John, I have read your thread regarding the numbering of British locos, and I'll have to admit youv'e confused me let alone Mrs. C and I know the classification system!!:hehe: :hehe:
 
ps. John, I have read your thread regarding the numbering of British locos, and I'll have to admit you've confused me let alone Mrs. C and I know the classification system!!:hehe: :hehe:


Oh Dear, I was only trying to help, it looks like I will have to amend what I put. It was quite difficult to put down "paper". I will give it a few days and see if any errors are pointed out and then decide what I should do:'( :'( :'( . Mind you if nobody points any errors I might just leave it as it is:p

John
 
Yet another class of train is imported to the country that invented railways (yes I know that's not quite correct!). Why can't we make our own?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6960549.stm

Oh and it's another multiple unit, why can't we build a couple of hundred black fives?:'(

John

Technology and progress.

There are several advantages and several disadvantages for muliple units and Locos and HS. One of the biggest disadvantages for LHS vs MUs is the turn around time, it takes something like 3 times longer to turn a train with hauled stock, than a MU and on a high speed line, to allow the loco to operate correctly, the ends need to be streamlined.

Haul some standard flat ended stock and your coeffficent/air resistance/whatever goes sky high. Really, do you want slow rolling stock mixing with high speed rolling stock, that has the capability of attaining 200mph?

Unfortuately, these days, railways have to make money, lots of the greens and the UK hasn't had a rosey past with their manufacturing. Look at what happened in the late 70s and throughout the 80s. Look at what happened to British Leyland (I know, loosely liked with trains!) and to be honest, all this is due to power crazed people in our own country, fighting for causes that don't make sense.
(Strikes anyone?)
After that, look at the quality vs. price of British made goods, a good example is the Class 458s and they came from (IIRC) the same plant as the Metro-Cammel DMUs, only 40 years earlier.


Yes, there are successes in British Manufacuring, yes there are a lot of failures, but its upto the British people to change the society we live in, not one about greed and money, not one about striking because you cannot settle for anything less and not one thats is about low quality goods.
On the other hand, that sort of statment could be considered too late anyway, since there is only one railway specialist in the UK that is capabile of producing heavy rail rolling stock and thats at Derby. Starting a rail manufacture like Derby will cost billions and you need to ensure you are going to get your monies worth, otherwise, it can't happen (2 reasons that my ideas of a brand new rail line, to serve the coast and Midhurst, would never happen.). To be honest, with the way things are, we are probably in an irreversable state.


One thing I did forget to mention, is the efficency that steamers have, theres another thread discussing this.



As for the EMU, I'll look forward to trying out this piece of japanese plastic, to see if it atually is as good as they say, or ranks as low as the Electrostar and Desiros (TBH, I am not really that much against the Desiros, its the way the management are slapping them onto unsuitable services with unsutiable seating).
For anyone wondering, yes, I've already had a request by the forum user "395Atrain", to actually create one for him. Trouble is, chocobock requests, little reference images and very limited public exposure doesn't help.
 
WEN we did have modern facilities to build brand new trains over here, Procor at Horbury Junction, Met Camm or whatever at Washwood Heath, etc. Both factories modernised at enormous expense and then destroyed after building a handful of trains. The man in the overalls is much more enlightened than his predecessors but his bosses and politicians have let him down.

John
 
I read once that there was a plan to re-introduce loco-hauled service over some of the busy (but not key main) lines such as the S&C or the routes around London.

The reasoning was that using MU stock the peak in demand means overcrowding and the trough (I'm sure there's a better word) means empty coaches, so if the ability to add or drop a coach at will was reintroduced the negative effects on passenger comfort could be reduced.

I can't remember what happened to the idea, but I guess the factors suggested by WEN meant it never came to fruition.

BidMod.
 
WEN we did have modern facilities to build brand new trains over here, Procor at Horbury Junction, Met Camm or whatever at Washwood Heath, etc. Both factories modernised at enormous expense and then destroyed after building a handful of trains. The man in the overalls is much more enlightened than his predecessors but his bosses and politicians have let him down.

... but poorly designed trains are no subsititue for the modern facilities that were upgraded to huge expense.

The problem is that Alstom lost out to one of the largest contracts that they could of had. Instead, Gernany got it. Now, if you needed 785 coaches to replace some slam door stock, with an option to go over 1,00+ coaches in ten years, with a matainence contract and a combined value of everything together of £1billion, you would think that Stagecoach chose wisely.

Exactly what they did, thats why Siemens got it, their UK track record was favored (look at how well the Class 332 and 333s are doing, Hitachi have a long way to catch up to that standard!) and the quality was astounding. Now, if Southern needed coaches and Siemens had spare capacity, then no doubt, Southern would order from Siemens. (Although, the A-Train was considered, but with the deadlines for the withdrawal of all Mk1 stock close, they chose "tried and tested" trains).


And before someone asks "what happened to Bombardier?", they are still in business and at one point, they turned from the Southerns/SouthEasterns contract, to refurbishment only, until the TfL contract came in. The other useful thing about Derby is that they build trams there, for the rest of europe, what did Birmingham produce?
 
I have to say though that the Pendolino is (for me) the best train currently running in Britain. http://www.virgintrains.co.uk/travelling_with_us/our_trains/pendolino_gallery/default.aspx

I like the profile of the train - they look good in all except head on views (never trust a grinning train), and the seats are just so comfy (I live north of Preston, so I can actually use the seats). I also like the bacon roll that the shop sells, but that obviously isn't a key selling point of a MU.

BidMod.
 
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