AMD fanatics, get them while you can...

:'( I've been an AMD fan for years and this is horrible news. I'm on the verge of building a new AMD rig in the next few months specifically for Trainz 2010 and 2012 later (I need that new Y6b) and of course my wife's games :hehe: To make matters worse the floods here in Thailand is going to spike the prices on hard drives next year as both factories are STILL underwater :mop:
 
True, this is not a good thing. Intel can charge what they like without it.:eek:

[Please note, I'm not saying we're in any way better with Intel's desktop monopoly]

To be fair, Intel have been charging "what they want" since the introduction of the core i series. AMD hasn't presented any serious desktop competition since the Core 2 (some would argue that the Pentium-M and Core series chips were where AMD lost it), and the only people really buying AMD since the X2 were AMD fans.

Time will tell what will happen, Intel may go super evil, or they may not - they didn't last time AMD bowed out of desktop processors. And AMD may well do what they did then - come back when they can see a lucrative way to compete.

As for lack of innovation... It's hard to say, the innovation of the Pentium-M and Core (and thus Core 2, Core i series) came from internal competition rather than competition against AMD, Intel Tel Aviv were competing against the US offices, AMD were pretty much dead on the laptop market at the time, and Intel already had a massive market share with Celerons for low-power and Mobile P4s for high performance laptops.
 
NikkiA's got a point. I remember when I started building PCs (around '99 or 2000?) and all you ever heard about was Intel. A buddy turned me on to AMD - I thought all they made at the time was GPUs:hehe: I've always liked them for offering serious bang for the buck - paid $89 or so for my CPU 2 years ago when similar offerings from Inhell were going for around $250. I haven't been let down yet and I hope this is just a break for them... I'll be going to Fry's across town to pick up a new CPU in a couple days.
 
That sounds a bit grim, been using AMD ever since the K5, still got it in my spares box as well!
Reading that, it doesn't appear to be that definite what they are going to do. Anyway we've been here before and they bounced back. Strange that this hasn't been doing the rounds on other sites yet, I'm guessing a bit of misinformation and media assumption on whatever the AMD spokesman is alleged to have said.

If they do stop making desktop processors that will only be bad for development of Intel and even worse for pricing and leave Intel free to charge whatever they like for processors that could have been better with something to compete against.
 
What I get out of it, is AMD sees more opportunity in the mobile space, but will still do X86. But for how long tho? And ARM wants in the desktop space. So maybe AMD will slowly bow out of X86 and leave it to Intel and ARM for the desktop market(assuming ARM can get their perofrmance way up, currently its too slow to compete with the big Intel i5/i7). AMD Bulldozer(which I considered for about a week, before building a new i7 system), is just too quirky, with its low performance on games, and Ive read its performance driving multi-gpu is poor. So for now Intel still rules the roost, in X86 performance. Which is sad, AMD hyped Bulldozer as an i7 competitor, which it can match the i7 2500, but barely. But, Intel can't afford to be branded a monopoly, so they need either AMD or ARM in the desktop space, if only to stave off the evil word monopoly.
 
What I get out of it, is AMD sees more opportunity in the mobile space, but will still do X86. But for how long tho? And ARM wants in the desktop space. So maybe AMD will slowly bow out of X86 and leave it to Intel and ARM for the desktop market(assuming ARM can get their perofrmance way up, currently its too slow to compete with the big Intel i5/i7). AMD Bulldozer(which I considered for about a week, before building a new i7 system), is just too quirky, with its low performance on games, and Ive read its performance driving multi-gpu is poor. So for now Intel still rules the roost, in X86 performance. Which is sad, AMD hyped Bulldozer as an i7 competitor, which it can match the i7 2500, but barely. But, Intel can't afford to be branded a monopoly, so they need either AMD or ARM in the desktop space, if only to stave off the evil word monopoly.

I read an interesting article regarding the Bulldozer line. AMD aimed this at the server processor market, but when compared to Intel's Xeon line, they can't compete price on the to performance ratio. The chip is too slow compared to a similarly spec'd out Intel system, even though the Intel costs a couple of hundred dollars more. Remember in the server market, is couple of hundred dollars is nothing when a server costs $1.8 million with it's 160 TB of disks and 80TB of RAM. So with the Bulldozer, you get a fast system, but it's not as fast as the Xeon-based one, and it's only slightly less expensive. The 2% difference as it works out to be isn't worth it in the price to performance category.

On the desktop side, the processor will never make it because it will be too slow due to the way it's structured. It was built for the server market, and the instructions are different. The Xeon processors, for example, are built to handle large, fast transactions which are found in database servers. This is different than the types of instructions that are thrown about on a desktop, so the processor works a lot less efficiently on the desktop.

I feel bad for AMD. They tried to get this right, and I think the Bulldozer was a big disappointment for them as a company, and has forced them to pull back. Perhaps they will focus on their video chip market, and make ATI a far better competitor to NVidia.

By the mobile market, they probably mean tablets and such, which require low power and can compete nicely with Intel if they can get this right.

To be honest, I was never a big fan of AMD. I was burned by them years ago with their knock off on the 486s and Pentiums. This shows how long ago I used them. Their chips was more than slower than the Intel equivalent, and did not have the power, and temperature throttling built in that Intel had and still has today.

In the old AMD processors, including the K-series, they could easily cook if they overheated. This is unlike the Intel processors, which at first will slow down, then eventually shutdown. The problem with AMD is they relied on the motherboard manufacturers to do this instead of building this into the chip. With is approach, many systems actually overheated and the processor burned through the motherboard. There was a video on Tom's Hardware at one time showing an AMD cook as it's temperature got up to over 400C when it's heat sink fell off.

John
 
To be honest, I was never a big fan of AMD. I was burned by them years ago with their knock off on the 486s and Pentiums. This shows how long ago I used them. Their chips was more than slower than the Intel equivalent, and did not have the power, and temperature throttling built in that Intel had and still has today.

The Am586, K5 and K6 were pretty bad, yeah, but their 486 was clock-for-clock faster than intel. An Amd486-40 would outperform a i486-50DX (whether the original single-clocked DX50 or the later double-clocked DX50). The Am486DX4-120 wiped the floor with intel's 486 offerings too, but the Pentiums were in full swing by then, so few noticed (for a while in the Windows 95 era you got better performance by sticking with a 486 rather than going Pentium - much like how the late model 1.8Ghz and (rare) 2.0Ghz P3s outperformed the early P4s by a big margin)...

They managed to come out ahead a little again with the K6-2 and K6-3, although many people were already avoiding them by then. As an example, I had a dual P2-300 setup at that epoch, my ex had a single K6-2 @ 266MHz, the K6-2 would outperform my P2 setup on a single process situation.

The Duron didn't compete that well against the P3, and the early Athlon (ie, pre '-XP' series) vs P3 was a near dead-heat with the advantage slightly towards the P3, it wasn't until Intel committed to the trainwreck that was P4 where AMD gained their edge.

That said, I still have a couple of Sempron based machines here running as servers, they do their job and do it well, but then they're not performance machines, they just need to chug along and deal with a handful of website requests and filtering a few dozen spam emails out of my mail feed every second ;)
 
JCitron, yeah, I remember videos of AMD cpus cooking off, too. After Intel introduced the heat-spreader, the fear of burning-out an Intel chip was a relief, since as mentioned the chip will just throttle itself down until the heat-load goes away. Per Bulldozer, most of us figure AMD built a pure server chip, and simply upped the rated speed, to sell it on the desktop. We know how that turned out.
Might as well not even upgrade from an X4 at all, if you stay AMD. I've gone Intel since the Core2 intro, AMD just can't compete in performance. Good value, yes, but the tradeoff is slower performance. BTW, I remember that, with no heat-spreader, the old AMDs, when removing its heatsink, would sometimes crack the die. Ouch.
 
NikkiA, yep the Prescott P4(presshot) became an untamable oven regards heat-load. Intel's idea to head toward 10Ghz got stopped cold by physics. Whatever feature size it was then, 120nm?, 100nm, 90?, just wasn't small enough . And besides, the cpu was still using I think 1.5volts. Too much. Intel learned after that to design with power usage kept under control. Amazing even now, with 32 nm, we still can't do more than 5.2Ghz even with water-cooling.
 
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