After update, way too much steam.

Robert2d6

Cab Driver
Well I updated my TS12 to the latest build today ( don't ask me how I neglected to do this for the last 3 months)...I was running the Blue Comet steam engine with the passenger cars on the very flat Cotton Belt Route, and I had saved a session prior to the update, with my train parked on a single track stretch. When I started the session back up again I immediately hear this hissing sound like a pressure cooker gone whacky. Hmm, hadn't ever heard that before, then I noticed that the blow off valves on top of the boiler were spewing steam out like crazy :confused:. Steam pressure was 245 PSI. I guess the update must have changed the dynamics of how the engine responds to an over pressure, because I had seen pressures on this engine in that range before but never had the blow off problem. Since I am currently reading a book on steam locomotives and their development, I figured this was a good practical test to see if I learned anything, and could stop this darn hissing noise.

I adjusted the water up towards 70%, and kept going up to 100% with almost no drop in pressure ( there goes that theory) . I had the regulator pretty close to zero, since on the flat run with only 5-6 passenger cars, the loco wants to clip along over the posted speed limit of 55 mph, by about 5 mph, with almost no throttle. Well, I left the cutoff at +75% so it would use as much steam as possible, but still pressure was too high and blow off valves still kept hissing like crazy. ( I think if I had been on a real locomotive cab , I would have been running for the exit door by this time). I made sure the blower was turned off, and then I decided that maybe overfilling the firebox with coal, didn't seem to be lowering the pressure, so I was going do the opposite and let the coal level burn down. By the way the fire was not white hot either but a reddish yellow. When I got down to about 55% coal level in the firebox, the pressure started dropping, with the cutoff still at +75%, and now my pressure started coming down and started to settle around 180PSI. I finished the rest of the run with about 50-55% coal and 90-100% water, 175 PSI, and no more blow offs. Interesting run....
 
Hi Robert2d6
We did fix an issue in TS12 that broke the safety valves, and as such if you have too much pressure, you will now hear the safety valves blow off. In this case, it sounds like there may be an issue with saved sessions (if you mean a session saved from within driver?) causing the boiler pressure, and temperature, to become too high. If you mean that you are loading the session from the beginning, then this is more likely a case of the physics being set to be a little too hot, or the safety valves not letting enough steam out.

The G3s should be running at about 230psi (this is what the 'low pressure' safety valve will be set too), so if you can get it down to this point, then you should be able to control it from there. Make sure you have the blower off, and let the fire burn down. Keeping the water up will also help cool the boiler. Once you get it down below 230psi, the challenge will then be to keep it up at about 210-220psi.

Of course, if you really want to use steam up, apply the train brakes very slightly for a little while (say a 3-5psi drop in train brake pipe pressure), so that you then need to work the locomotive harder. You could also use the independant brake for this, however most railways preferred that the independent not be used so as to reduce wear on the loco's brake shoes and wheels. You'll need to be careful how much you reduce brake pressure by, as steam locos do not support 'bail' at the moment (bail allows you to release the independent brake whilst the train brake is applied - this allows you to keep powering whilst the train brakes are applied, such as to keep the train stretched).

I have, however, pass this on to the Trainz team, specifically for us to check the Blue Comet locomotives.

Regards
 
Hi Robert2d6
We did fix an issue in TS12 that broke the safety valves, and as such if you have too much pressure, you will now hear the safety valves blow off. In this case, it sounds like there may be an issue with saved sessions (if you mean a session saved from within driver?) causing the boiler pressure, and temperature, to become too high. If you mean that you are loading the session from the beginning, then this is more likely a case of the physics being set to be a little too hot, or the safety valves not letting enough steam out.

The G3s should be running at about 230psi (this is what the 'low pressure' safety valve will be set too), so if you can get it down to this point, then you should be able to control it from there. Make sure you have the blower off, and let the fire burn down. Keeping the water up will also help cool the boiler. Once you get it down below 230psi, the challenge will then be to keep it up at about 210-220psi.

Of course, if you really want to use steam up, apply the train brakes very slightly for a little while (say a 3-5psi drop in train brake pipe pressure), so that you then need to work the locomotive harder. You could also use the independant brake for this, however most railways preferred that the independent not be used so as to reduce wear on the loco's brake shoes and wheels. You'll need to be careful how much you reduce brake pressure by, as steam locos do not support 'bail' at the moment (bail allows you to release the independent brake whilst the train brake is applied - this allows you to keep powering whilst the train brakes are applied, such as to keep the train stretched).

I have, however, pass this on to the Trainz team, specifically for us to check the Blue Comet locomotives.

Regards


This was a saved session in driver from prior the update rather than post update. Thanks for the info, and I will experiment with this now. Since I never heard the safety valves go off until today, while seeing some rather high pressures, approaching 290 Psi, I am assuming that this update fixed that problem. Looks like it now triggers the safety valves around the 240 PSI area + or - a few pounds. ( Can't remember exactly).
 
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Well I finished the run by doing about 90 miles tonight in the Blue Comet. I started out with the saved brake pressure of around 175 pounds or so, coal level at about 40-55%, and it took me an awful long time to get the water to drop below 100% with the water turned completely off. This engine has plenty of power, so pulling a small passenger train is no challenge at all, so I found that with even boiler pressure as low as 140 pounds, it still had plenty of power and acceleration.

The patch makes it much more realistic since now I have to watch to make sure that my boiler pressure isn't drifting to high. Anxious to see the effect on some of my other steam locos.
 
I would suggest restarting the session from the start, as it's likely that the changes to the physics in the update (to fix the safety valves bug) may not work well with the saved session.

Regards
 
I would suggest restarting the session from the start, as it's likely that the changes to the physics in the update (to fix the safety valves bug) may not work well with the saved session.

Regards

I tried running the Blue Comet again, from a new session, and the pressure seemed controllable. Then I tried my PRR T1 1945 version, and as soon as I started the session, the pressure was almost 300 PSI. I even made a new session with that payware Loco from Auran, just to give me a fresh start. Within a minute, the safety valve was releasing steam. Running the coal, lower and lower ( as fast as I could burn it off, )and increasing the water, keeping the cutoff at 75%, still resulted in the safety valve triggering again about 6 miles into the trip. Is there some way to edit the amount of steam at the starting point, so that you don't have to ride along with the safety valve blowing off steam continually?. That doesn't seem realistic, but maybe it is, not sure.
 
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