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Train stolen for joyride
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MeowRailroad
CKRail
I swear, the stupidity of some people is off the charts. What were they thinking, "oh lets go steal a train, it will be loads of fun, hurr hurr hurr."
I hope the people who took that train for a joyride gets the $2 million bill, along with jail time. That'll make them think twice about doing something that stupid. Also, $2 million Australian Dollars equals about $1,410,362.76 American Dollars, $1,870,300.88 Canadian Dollars, 932,780.30 Pounds Sterling, or 1,316,742.38 Euros.
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UnumProvident155
SP 4449 fan
I think the people that did that should get 50 years in jail or longer
and that is the dumbest thing I have ever heard
and that is the dumbest thing I have ever heard
cascaderailroad
New member
A copy of a key purchased over the internet, and a rock smashing the handle into gear, enabled the saboteur to operate the handles.
In China the penalty for something small like: breaking into boxcars, and stealing bicycles off a freight train, is the immediate death penalty, at the commencement of the next soccer game ... Then a certain part of the perpetrator becomes the ball ... now that's a sport ... Go TEAM !
In China the penalty for something small like: breaking into boxcars, and stealing bicycles off a freight train, is the immediate death penalty, at the commencement of the next soccer game ... Then a certain part of the perpetrator becomes the ball ... now that's a sport ... Go TEAM !
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Railwoodman
Well-known member
Here's a thought? why would someone even sell a key on the black market. Is this something a collector would want? Would like to know what the intention were here, just a stupid idea or someones bad idea of fun. Or something else .
Matt
Matt
Hi everybody.
nicky9499 is one hundred percent correct in stating that this was an incident waiting to happen. Throughout time every country in the world has had its share of those who will indulge in antisocial and criminal behaviour. Therefore it is for everyone (especially commercial transport organisations) to protect themselves from these persons to the best of their abilities using the most up-to-date technology.
The simple fact that a key to this control car could be purchased on the Internet very much demonstrates lax security in this rail company’s operations. In this case the facts would speak for themselves as obviously keys were not being checked as handed in at the termination of driver and maintenance staff shifts. The foregoing would be covered under industrial “duty of care legislation” which is similar in all developed countries throughout the world.
In the above it is the duty of every employer to ensure that its operations do not endanger employees of that company or others who may be affected by the operations of that company. Therefore, bringing forward reliable and practised security conditions that ensures only qualified employees could gain access to the rail car keys would very much be covered under the above duty of care.
However, the above incident is not the first time vehicles have been taken from transport centres as in the past it has happened all too often. As someone who has worked for over 30 years in industrial safety my company was recently requested by the police and Health and Safety Executive here in the UK to investigate the security conditions at a large bus terminal where a bus had been taken on a “joyride” by a person who was later described as someone who had a severe psychiatric condition. The joyride had ended with a large number of damage vehicles including the bus and one person walking on the pavement being injured although not seriously.
On our investigation of the bus depot even after the incident, we found keys being left in the ignition of vehicles when parked at the depot and drivers and maintenance staff regularly going off shift with vehicle keys in their pockets. When the above case came to court a restriction order was placed on the person who had taken the bus, but more importantly the court recommended that action also should be taken against the bus company for its failures under the UK health and safety at work legislation (duty of care section)
Fortunately, traditional barrel lock keys are now rapidly becoming a thing of the past in commercial transport. Most companies are now equipping vehicles with digital ignition systems which are quickly reprogrammed from a control centre each time a different driver or maintenance person takes over the vehicle.
In the case of the train being taken for a joyride of course the offenders should be punished in the harshest terms. However, the book should also be thrown at the train operating company for their ineptitude and lax security in the above case and heads should most definitely roll.
Of course in postings in this thread we have the usual “rail companies can do no wrong” brigade. However rail companies are no different to any other company when it comes to industrial safety and must abide by the legislation that surrounds their sector, to which in this case the company so lamentably proved themselves inadequate.
Bill
Holy moly. "Occasionally stolen" master keys and poorly secured depots? This was an accident waiting to happen.
nicky9499 is one hundred percent correct in stating that this was an incident waiting to happen. Throughout time every country in the world has had its share of those who will indulge in antisocial and criminal behaviour. Therefore it is for everyone (especially commercial transport organisations) to protect themselves from these persons to the best of their abilities using the most up-to-date technology.
The simple fact that a key to this control car could be purchased on the Internet very much demonstrates lax security in this rail company’s operations. In this case the facts would speak for themselves as obviously keys were not being checked as handed in at the termination of driver and maintenance staff shifts. The foregoing would be covered under industrial “duty of care legislation” which is similar in all developed countries throughout the world.
In the above it is the duty of every employer to ensure that its operations do not endanger employees of that company or others who may be affected by the operations of that company. Therefore, bringing forward reliable and practised security conditions that ensures only qualified employees could gain access to the rail car keys would very much be covered under the above duty of care.
However, the above incident is not the first time vehicles have been taken from transport centres as in the past it has happened all too often. As someone who has worked for over 30 years in industrial safety my company was recently requested by the police and Health and Safety Executive here in the UK to investigate the security conditions at a large bus terminal where a bus had been taken on a “joyride” by a person who was later described as someone who had a severe psychiatric condition. The joyride had ended with a large number of damage vehicles including the bus and one person walking on the pavement being injured although not seriously.
On our investigation of the bus depot even after the incident, we found keys being left in the ignition of vehicles when parked at the depot and drivers and maintenance staff regularly going off shift with vehicle keys in their pockets. When the above case came to court a restriction order was placed on the person who had taken the bus, but more importantly the court recommended that action also should be taken against the bus company for its failures under the UK health and safety at work legislation (duty of care section)
Fortunately, traditional barrel lock keys are now rapidly becoming a thing of the past in commercial transport. Most companies are now equipping vehicles with digital ignition systems which are quickly reprogrammed from a control centre each time a different driver or maintenance person takes over the vehicle.
In the case of the train being taken for a joyride of course the offenders should be punished in the harshest terms. However, the book should also be thrown at the train operating company for their ineptitude and lax security in the above case and heads should most definitely roll.
Of course in postings in this thread we have the usual “rail companies can do no wrong” brigade. However rail companies are no different to any other company when it comes to industrial safety and must abide by the legislation that surrounds their sector, to which in this case the company so lamentably proved themselves inadequate.
Bill
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Maybe the perpetrators were just sick and tired of waiting for Australian rail to move into the 21st Century. After having just travelled on an SNCF TGV between Barcelona, Spain and Paris, France at 300kmh, imagine my disappointment when I tried to book a train from Brisbane, Queensland to Melbourne, Victoria, approximately 1600 km. The fastest route was, depart Roma Street Station, Brisbane, by, wait for it....BUS....to Casino NSW, 228 km by the Pacific Hwy. Then catch the Northern XPT to Sydney, then the Southern XPT to Melbourne. total time 36 and a half hours.
Maybe the "Spirit of Progress" is a bit of a misnomer. If you want to get anywhere fast by rail, perhaps trying to drive your own train is the answer. BTW, I flew.
Maybe the "Spirit of Progress" is a bit of a misnomer. If you want to get anywhere fast by rail, perhaps trying to drive your own train is the answer. BTW, I flew.
I hope the people who took that train for a joyride gets the $2 million bill, along with jail time.
Regrettably, they will most likely turn out to be unemployed (and probably unemployable), on welfare and will therefore be unable to repay the damage, ever, even if all their welfare payments are taken for the rest of their lives as part of their penalty (unlikely).
The rail operator will probably be forced to improve their security (ultimately at a cost to the commuters) which would not be a bad thing. However, eventually some other idiots will try driving a train because it "looks really easy and cool", or because they are drunk and it seemed "like a good idea at the time", etc.
Unfortunately, catching these idiots will not deter the next "bogan" (a colloquial term for a low IQ poorly educated vulgar buffoon) from trying their hand. Its not as if we have a shortage of them - like Ikea, we even import them from Sweden - see http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-...dly-hurt-after-shopping-trolley-crash/6926040
cascaderailroad
New member
When someone is placed in jail, they have no income ... and when they get out they have no income ... and the public has to pay for all their food and medical care while they are in prison, @ $75 per day, or much more 24-7-365
Perhaps they should send them to a deserted desert island ... like they banished convicts to French Gianna and Australia in the 1800's :hehe:
Some spray paint graffiti artists actually tag moving trains, and are hard core drug addicts, who steal spray paint, and live on the street
Perhaps they should send them to a deserted desert island ... like they banished convicts to French Gianna and Australia in the 1800's :hehe:
Some spray paint graffiti artists actually tag moving trains, and are hard core drug addicts, who steal spray paint, and live on the street
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Perhaps they should send them to a deserted desert island ... like they banished convicts to French Gianna and Australia in the 1800's :hehe:
You tried that in the 18th and 19th centuries and look where it got you - bundled out of your own Rugby World Cup.
Send them to New Zealand - that's where we are now sending all our hardened criminals :hehe:!
jeffmorris
Active member
A man who stole MTA buses and trains stole a Greyhound bus. I think that buses in Chicago require drivers to enter their ID and PIN codes into computers aboard buses.
When someone is placed in jail, they have no income ... and when they get out they have no income ... and the public has to pay for all their food and medical care while they are in prison, @ $75 per day, or much more 24-7-365
Perhaps they should send them to a deserted desert island ... like they banished convicts to French Gianna and Australia in the 1800's :hehe:
Some spray paint graffiti artists actually tag moving trains, and are hard core drug addicts, who steal spray paint, and live on the street
Your actuall wrong there cacscade.....he in Aussie land, you get sent to jail, you get 3 cooked meals a day off your choice, morning, afternoon and evening teas. Digital TV and sat, comfortable bed, and you get paid by the government
So it pays to go to jail here.
The great Aussie dream.
... you get 3 cooked meals a day off your choice, morning, afternoon and evening teas. Digital TV and sat, comfortable bed, and you get paid by the government
Perhaps that is how they do things in SA but here in NSW it is a much tougher experience. Digital TV (to be fair, analogue TV no longer works) is a privilege that has to be earned (and can be withdrawn). AFAIK prisoners do not get paid by the government, they forfeit all welfare payments. You may be referring to any work that they do (e.g. industrial prison "shop") but the opportunities to do such work has become greatly reduced lately as unions have often objected to work being taken away from "honest" citizens. Much of the work prisoners now do is unpaid, such as for charities (e.g. fixing toys), but it does earn remission points. I'm not sure that they even make car license plates any more.
There has been some claims (always officially denied) that conditions may be "better" in some of the privately run prisons.
But of course, I am fully prepared to be corrected by some-one with real personal experience of these points :hehe:
But of course, I am fully prepared to be corrected by some-one with real personal experience of these points
funny man........
Don't know about NSW........
SA......they get the best so I've heard....don't have any practical experience in that area, just so your enlightened
santafe8643
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Who the hell would even joyride a train?!? Another thing is, how were they able to operate it?!?!,
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