Nottinghamshire UK

[escafeld]

For posting maps of the area, screenshots, photographs, information etc

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a303/escafeld01/MAP05.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a303/escafeld01/MAP02.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a303/escafeld01/MAP04.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a303/escafeld01/MAP03.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a303/escafeld01/12456c2f.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a303/escafeld01/NottinghamStation.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a303/escafeld01/ASgt9.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a303/escafeld01/ASgt2.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a303/escafeld01/AmapofTotonyard1960.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a303/escafeld01/AmapofNottsGCRGNRStation.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a303/escafeld01/AmapofNottinghamshire.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a303/escafeld01/AMapofColwickYard.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a303/escafeld01/Totonarielshot.jpg

With grateful thanks to a few friends

[jas4528]

:) Looks good Dave. Some new ones I'll need to print

Jack

[jas4528]

Thanks for the photobucket(s). Have copied them all into a photo folder.

Any news on your ISP thingy??

Jack

[davidbird]

So we're back up here then. Was thinking of re-starting over on UKTrainz forum, but as Nottinghamshire is here I'll link to this from there. Glad to see your names again!

[davidbird]

Forgot to set my email notification, so here's a bit more info!
Useful links may also include these
http://www.leytransport.i12.com/nott.htm Nottingham Railway Archeology
http://www.picturethepast.org.uk/ North-east Midlands Photographic Archive, not railway related, but a good index system means most things can be found
http://webgis.nottinghamcity.gov.uk/website/nomad/index.asp? NOttingham Maps And Online Data. Similar maps as from Planning Portal, but with a larger size and a bit more extra data.
Hope these are useful.

My own layout's not progressed much, I've been busy playing with SCS2006... more progress soon though!

[titaniclover]

ill take the yard docs if you dont mind if i use them.

[Captain_Scarlet]

Some excellent maps here, I see where both our layouts meet :)
(Escafeld you have a PM)

[jas4528]

Welcome back. Long time no see/read as it where. Nice to have you back

Jack:) :)

[escafeld]

Hello Jack, Greg, David.

Sorry I missed you Greg. No MSN on this machine and my other is shut down. Daren't start it up again, my wife is asleep. Catch you tonight perhaps?

Good to see you again David.

Check this website out all - Pagebull

I just chucked a few queries at it and there is a wealth of info to be had. Haven't looked at it all yet. LOL

e.g. : - http://www.pagebull.com/?qStart=0&qVisWidth=1003&qIn=Nottingham+Archive+photographs&qPvPics=2x6

http://www.pagebull.com/?qStart=0&qVisWidth=1003&qIn=Historic+Nottingham+photographs&qPvPics=2x6

http://www.pagebull.com/?qStart=0&qVisWidth=1003&qIn=Nottinghamshire+railway+stations&qPvPics=2x6

http://www.pagebull.com/?qStart=0&qVisWidth=1003&qIn=Midland+railway+distance+diagrams&qPvPics=2x6

Right I'm off it's 02:20am.

Cheers, Dave

[davidbird]

A while ago, in this thread on the old Auran forum, somebody was using G-Max to make the Weekday Cross viaducts, possibly as far as including the bridge over Midland Station.
If you're reading this, sorry I can't remember who you are, but I'd be very interested in your progress.
The Long Eaton section of my layout is just about done and I was going to go up through Toton Yard next.
But in a change of plan, as Dave Escafeld has posted those maps/track plans, I'll try going east and do Lenton Jcts, Castle Meadows and Midland Station.
Of course, progress updates posted as things happen.
How's other Nottingham modellers doing?

[escafeld]

Hi David

I'm connecting a long lost line from Shirebrook to near Chesterfield via Arkwright Town. It once passed through Bolsover Tunnel.

Since we last spoke I've also connected from Shirebrook to Old Clipstone and south to Mansfield.

I'm going to enjoy Christmas now and hope you all do the same.

Best wishes

Dave

[davidbird]

Didn't know you could do this with http://local.live.com/ !

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/9356/eastua4.jpg

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/1879/northtu7.jpg

http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/4950/southna0.jpg

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/364/westmv1.jpg

[escafeld]

Yes David, I posted that station on the old forum quite some time ago. Most of Nottinghamshire is 3D.

[titaniclover]

got it! looking for my dads work place.

[davidbird]

I remember the 1st picture that you posted before, Dave. Think that the site's had a update, as now the birds-eye view seems to be continually scrollable, rather than needing the grid that was in the corner. I didn't realise that the view could be rotated, maybe its part of the same update.
Also, I thought this thread needs a few pictures...

[escafeld]

It rotated before, but was not continually scrollable. I'm looking forward to an extension of the 3D capability north of Annesley as it sure makes a difference.

[davidbird]

Here (at last!) are a few screenshots of my Nottingham layout. No captions to the pictures, but if you can identify the locations please let me know - that'll mean I'm doing something right!

The only clue I'll give is that they're all in the area between Lenton Junction, Redhill Tunnel, Long Eaton (Sawley) Station and Nottingham Rd in Long Eaton (south of Toton Yard)

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/3369/1ym0.jpg

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/7619/2ei0.jpg

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/1720/3al4.jpg

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/6550/4ym2.jpg

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/255/5no1.jpg

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/4606/6qk0.jpg

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/8590/7wo1.jpg

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/7591/8sw3.jpg

[davidbird]

and a few more...

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/2757/9lu4.jpg

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/8889/10hp4.jpg

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/5290/11he7.jpg

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/897/12rk9.jpg
http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/4341/13bp1.jpg

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/5796/14yy5.jpg

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/5137/15jw8.jpg

:)

Also, I think the layout itself is ready for a "beta-test"... its at the stage where I've seen it so much that I'm not seeing the mistakes. If anybody would like a copy, please email me - all constructive criticism welcome!

David

[escafeld]

Here (at last!) are a few screenshots of my Nottingham layout. No captions to the pictures, but if you can identify the locations please let me know - that'll mean I'm doing something right!

The only clue I'll give is that they're all in the area between Lenton Junction, Redhill Tunnel, Long Eaton (Sawley) Station and Nottingham Rd in Long Eaton (south of Toton Yard)

Excellent David.
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Image 252 - Beeston Sidings adjacent to the Boulevard Industrial Park.

Image 265 – Looking south to Beeston Station under Station Road bridge.

Image 260 – Beeston Station looking north. Are those silos gone now, or are they in the wrong place and should be south of the station? Or again, where there silos both ends?

Image 256 – Boots works?

Image 263 – Looking towards the extraction plant (if this is what it is called) at Attenborough pit. BTW, was this around in the 60s?

Image 266 – Attenborough station.

Image 257 – Pass. You’ll have to enlighten me on this.

Image 262 – Barton Lane crossing.

[escafeld]

and a few more...

...If anybody would like a copy, please email me - all constructive criticism welcome! David

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Attenborough junction near the sewerage works.

Meadow lane crossing.

Trent junction.

Is this the bridge at Fields farm road just east of Long Eaton station?

Looking south to the tunnels at Ratcliffe on Soar. I like those tunnels, which ones did you use please?

I’m guessing Station Street heading towards Toton.

Long Eaton station.

Well done again. I would love to run it, but I'm running 2004. Everytime someone converts 2006 maps, or whatever, to 2004 it doesn't work for me, but thanks anyway.

Have just added about 30 tracks to Toton Yard. The Meadow Yard and the Meadow Storage Sidings. I need a turntable (3 in total) suitable for the three roundhouses. I have one that fits, an 80 footer, but the wrong gauge. I've ditched the diesel depot and put the steam depot in. I just cant get my head around the Meadow Departure sidings and what exists now. The map I'm using is not to scale, but does show all the trackwork. I'll post the TrainzMap of the area and the BR map and perhaps Steviez will judge what I'm doing.

Have only just got back online folks. As usual it dropped out for a few days. Getting used to it now, he said gnashing his teeth.

All the best, Dave

[davidbird]

Thanks for that Dave, so I must be doing something right then!

Image 260 – Beeston Station looking north. Are those silos gone now, or are they in the wrong place and should be south of the station? Or again, where there silos both ends?

These silos at the NE end of Beeston Station are intended to be the Blue Circle cement terminal, now demolished and used for housing. (But its still shown on PlanningPortal/NOMAD maps) I can't remember if there were actually large silos like these there, but I'll eventually get round to cloning these to have a Blue Circle logo on them.


Image 263 – Looking towards the extraction plant (if this is what it is called) at Attenborough pit. BTW, was this around in the 60s?

RMC Plant (Ready Mixed Concrete) would have been there in the 60s, though I'm (just) too young to remember them! If you check out the NOMAD maps, there is a kink in the railway boundary fence that is exactly the right place for a private siding, so I've included an isolated piece of track in my layout. I think the dark feature in the shadow of the tall tree may even be a gatepost for the siding gate
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/6335/184rz.jpg
http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/2307/196yr.jpg

Image 257 – Pass. You’ll have to enlighten me on this.

Does this help?
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/8273/165pj.jpg

[davidbird]

Is this the bridge at Fields farm road just east of Long Eaton station?

Its not, my fault for not having a very good viewing angle. This is better
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/5986/170hk.jpg

Looking south to the tunnels at Ratcliffe on Soar. I like those tunnels, which ones did you use please?


They are from andi06's Tunnel Kit, portal type M, I think. Not as elaborate as the real ones, may use a few bits from his Station Kit to improve them.

Thats all for now, cdp is available for anyone who wants it - and is willing to give feedback!

Thanks
David

[steviez]

last but one pic fooling Dave is Long Eaton town crossing (minus the box)
all the others look ok but that crossing at Trent requires some fencing (in a few more pic2)
and the last pic of that set of the "new" Long Eaton station the station booking office is much nearer the road and is the embankment side of the down ramp if i am being picky and believe me i know the area very well.
since i grew up within spitting distance of Sawley Junction as was

Steviez

[davidbird]

Thanks Steviez, I'll check out the http://local.live.com/ aerial photos and see what can be done...

[escafeld]

Sorry I never got back, I lost connection again :mad:

[escafeld]

Gone a bit further afield.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a303/escafeld01/07-Feb-2007-01.jpg
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a303/escafeld01/07-Feb-2007-02.jpg
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a303/escafeld01/07-Feb-2007-03.jpg
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a303/escafeld01/07-Feb-2007-04.jpg

[davidbird]

Aren't we going outside of Nottinghamshire here Dave?!!;)

[escafeld]

Well... it makes a good turnaround, but apart from that ...Steviez twisted me arm. :D

[steviez]

I knew it would be my fault !!!!

[escafeld]

I'm just glad you mentioned it Steviez, it's a perfect way to get back to Notts and on to Lincolnshire. Did they run specials from Derby to Skeggie?

[davidbird]

Oops, I've just remembered that Long Eaton isn't in Nottinghamshire either! Neither is Ilkeston and Stanton Ironworks, when I get round to doing them!
Thanks Steviez, how's this for Long Eaton Station? Strange how memory plays tricks after 20 years!!! :confused:

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/5434/lestn2re0.jpg

Also it now has the small (original road?) bridge to the left of the lorry-scraped main bridge. Anybody know of a modern Low Bridge roadsign that I can place actually on the bridge?
I've also added boards for Ratcliffe Power Station, working on adding buildings just now.
Jolly Fisherman specials to Skeggy were 20-hauled weren't they?

[steviez]

David (Bird)
that looks much better now although the island is really only tiny.

Just out of interest the bridge height is 11ft 6 (or was before the roadway was flattened)
i know this because Barton transport had 1 double decker bus (861) which was 10ft 6 high
now aint i sad and the bus is now at Ruddington transport museum

[escafeld]

Hi David, Steviez

20s to Skeggie, that's true. They originated at Leicester and ran via Sheffield, I remember it well. Don't know if that took them through Derby though.

Haven't got very far today, just mucking about with this GPO building. It might have been faster to learn Gmax and build it in there. LOL It's composed of Russian flats and maybe they'll make a better job of it :D

Just got the guide thanks David

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a303/escafeld01/09-Feb-2007-01.jpg
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a303/escafeld01/09-Feb-2007-02.jpg

Cheers, Dave

[escafeld]

Funny you should mention the Belper-Ambergate-Matlock-Bakewell-Millersdale-Buxton. I made a good start on that and lost the lot and just to prove it here are some of the first ever screenshots I did: -

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a303/escafeld01/Monsaldale03.jpg
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a303/escafeld01/Monsaldale02.jpg
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a303/escafeld01/Monsaldale01.jpg
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a303/escafeld01/Monsaldale04.jpg

[escafeld]

I had a go with Long Eaton, but it is a bit OTT. Probably results in 1 F.P.S LOL

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a303/escafeld01/12-AUG-2006-01.jpg
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a303/escafeld01/12-AUG-2006-02.jpg
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a303/escafeld01/12-AUG-2006-03.jpg
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a303/escafeld01/12-AUG-2006-04.jpg
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a303/escafeld01/12-AUG-2006-05.jpg

[davidbird]

As always Dave, Monsaldale is instantly recognisable!

This thread may be worth watching as well
http://forum.uktrainz.co.uk/viewtopic.php?p=73320#73320

[ex-railwayman]

Wonderful shots of Long Eaton, you won't believe me but I was there last night having a pint !!! It was dark so I cannot confirm your question about the size of the road bridge alas..

Great work guys keep it up...

Cheers.. ex-railwayman.

[escafeld]

Did it look like this in the dark LOL.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a303/escafeld01/02-Apr-2006-11.jpg

[BLACKWATCH]

Hi David, Steviez

20s to Skeggie, that's true. They originated at Leicester and ran via Sheffield, I remember it well. Don't know if that took them through Derby though

Cheers, Dave

Don`t know about the Sheffield route, but they did run from Nottingham to Skeggy via Radcliffe - Allington Junc. - Sleaford & Boston.

[escafeld]

As always Dave, Monsaldale is instantly recognisable!

This thread may be worth watching as well
http://forum.uktrainz.co.uk/viewtopic.php?p=73320#73320

Hi David

I can't open that thread. I've tried to join uktrainz on three occasions and had no success.

Dave

[lewisner]

Hey Escafeld you must have been gutted at losing your sim of the Peak line.I"ve always thought that it would make an ideal route with its stiff gradients viaducts and tunnels - I used to volunteer at Peak Rail in the early days and I"ve walked the whole line twice, and even driven through the tunnels in a Landrover at midnight! The only problem is the variety of the station architecture so you"d need one "Bakewell" type station,one "Great Longstone" station and one "Darley Dale".The viaducts would probably be OK with those used on the Hawes Junction route. Keep up the good work..:)

[YELLOMATE]

Any plans on extending the route to Leicester Station Via Loughborough? Its only about 20 miles :P I have been looking for a route which incorperates Modern Leicester in high detail for a while but no luck :( But anyway, great route!

[escafeld]

Hi Lewisner

I walked the Monsaldale tunnel and was horrified to find a deep shaft part way through and I could easily have fallen down it. It may have been blocked up now, it was years and years ago. I trod the way very carefully after that. :D

[BLACKWATCH]

escafeld, did you get the PM I sent ?

[escafeld]

Any plans on extending the route to Leicester Station Via Loughborough? Its only about 20 miles :P I have been looking for a route which incorperates Modern Leicester in high detail for a while but no luck :( But anyway, great route!

If you mean 'me', well I don't know if I have enough years left LOL. I've just got to Derby (for friend Steviez) in the west and intend to get to Skegness in the east eventually. I have connections with Sheffield (home town and have linked with Captain Scarlets layout), Nottingham (relatives) and I live near Skegness.

Dave

[escafeld]

escafeld, did you get the PM I sent ?

Just spotted it. :)

[escafeld]

Hi Blackwatch, I've just replied. That's very kind of you, any photos are gratefully received. Kind regards, Dave

[BLACKWATCH]

Sent.

Will send more if I find any.

[escafeld]

Thanks very much and have just received some from Steviez, so thanks to him too. :)

[escafeld]

The route so far.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a303/escafeld01/NottsMap.jpg

[BLACKWATCH]

That`s a hell of project Dave.

Think it will be a few years before I attempt anything like that.

[escafeld]

...I have been looking for a route which incorporates Modern Leicester in high detail for a while but no luck.

Hi again. Why not start a thread and see if anyone is working on it: - (Anyone working on a Leicester layout?)

Dave

[YELLOMATE]

Thanks, will do :D

Stephen

[lewisner]

Escafeld , I also had a narrow escape when I walked the old line from Bottesford to Melton Mowbray in 1982.It included the 1/2 mile long Hose tunnel and I had no torch.There was a drainage manhole halfway through and I just managed to stop myself as I went over the edge-otherwise I guess my skeleton would still be there!:eek:

[davidbird]

Any plans on extending the route to Leicester Station Via Loughborough? Its only about 20 miles :P
If you mean 'me', then I don't either!:D I'm only covering the area I remember from childhood - essentially this covers the area from Ratcliffe PS northwards as far as Eastwood/Langley Mill, eastwards to include Nottingham City, south from there to Ruddington(GC) and north to Hucknall(GC.GN & MR lines). I see you've spotted the GC thread over on the UK forum, but then thats not really modern Leicester is it?
Why not try building your own? If you use MapMaker or another of the DEM programs, then it will match up with Ratcliffe on my layout.

[davidbird]

That is some layout Dave, great work. :) Mine, if I ever get anywhere near completing it, will be about half the size...

[davidbird]

Hi David
Originally Posted by davidbird http://forums.auran.com/trainz/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.auran.com/trainz/showthread.php?p=49501#post49501)
As always Dave, Monsaldale is instantly recognisable!

This thread may be worth watching as well
http://forum.uktrainz.co.uk/viewtopic.php?p=73320#73320

I can't open that thread. I've tried to join uktrainz on three occasions and had no success.

Dave

Hi Dave. If I remember correctly, joining uktrainz was simply a matter of registering, then waiting for someone to confirm the registration. If that doesn't let you in, then there must be a reason. Contact them and find out why. Let me know if you're still having problems...
BTW, if you're not registered you should still be able to view the thread, just not post a reply:confused:
If you still can't get at it, the thread is aboutPost subject: Great Central Railway (1950's and 2007) HELP I plan to do a stretch of the GCR through Lecester based in the 1950 and a semi fictional moden version of the route in ''what if it was still running'' guise, form Rugby to Annesley.
Andrew Geezah or Gee
So definately counts as "Nottingham"
David

[escafeld]

Hi David.

Whatever I try to do, it asks for my username and password. There is no link to any contact :confused:

Dave

[steviez]

Dave
try emailing Mike10 on here
he can sort it out i am sure as he is part of uktrainz setup

[escafeld]

Oh great will do Steviez thanks.

[davidbird]

Nottinghamshire Archives, on http://www.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/home/leisure/archives.htm have just sent me a CD-ROM with scans of selections of old maps of Nottingham. This is just a sample of the 1955 1:2500 plan of the area of Castle Meadow, where the IR offices (and the Archives offices) are now situated.

http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/5656/meadows1955gf4.jpg

interesting to compare this with the map Escafeld posted back on page 1,
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...ld01/MAP03.jpg (Do you know what date that was, Dave?)
There's a few changes...
The Archives charge £5.80 for an high-res A3 scan on CD, and £1.80 for P&P per order. If there is any area you need a plan of but can't get any other (free!) way, email them!

When I've got Ratcliffe PS completed, I think I'll send what I have to the DLS for release as it is, unless anybody else lets me know of any more errors (thanks Steviez!). Then it'll be on to central Nottingham as a separate, but mergable, section...

David

[escafeld]

Very good map David, especially as it has grid lines, unlike those of mine. I'm sorry, there are no references to the dates of the maps anywhere in the book, 'Scenes From The Past:11' - 'Railways In And Around Nottingham'. A bit frustrating that.

Well I need to get a 50s/60s period map of Toton and Trent Station/junction, as I am stuck fast with both areas. I have similar trouble at Derby, but that's what you get working in the past. Fortunately there are helpful people out there, such as yourself and Steviez and it comes together eventually.

You'll find it so much better being able to drop those maps onto basemaps. I've just spent a day in Planning Portal stitching screen grabbed maps together. Oh what fun LOL. I don't know if you have any basemaps or know how to use them, but let me know if you have a problem.

Seeya later.
Dave

[escafeld]

Interesting 1947 map

http://www.npemap.org.uk/tiles/map.html#447,336,1

[davidbird]

There's 3 more railways I never knew about at all
Scroll down 5 or 6 and across right 2. There are tramways shown, around Barton, Thrumpton and Kingston to the Trent and Soar.
A bit of searching found that they are tramways for transporting gypsum from drift mines in the Gotham hills (GC/LNER branch built to Gotham itself) to the River Trent. Then transported on barges to (amongst other places) the Sheet Stores (as in Sheet Stores Junction).
Beyond that, no details at all...

[escafeld]

Yes Dave, it's amazing what you can pick up on when you look around. Have you ever looked at the railways through www.old-maps.co.uk (http://www.old-maps.co.uk). Go slowly with moving around, if you don't let it refresh it freezes.

Seeya, Dave

[davidbird]

Well, I've given in to temptation, and Purchsed Perchpole's Payware Peak!
I know it's a 46 rather than a 45, but...
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/8878/peakmk2sts0.jpg

[escafeld]

Sure looks good on your layout. I'm waiting for him to do a 45. I think he will eventually. The spur off to the right, I can't find it on the 60s OS map, had that gone by then or was it just not shown.

Dave

[steviez]

Dave
that connection was certainly still there into the 1970's,
trains still ran with M.O.D stock into Chilwell worked by Nottingham men
And the notorious bridge over that connection was still there (the old A453) as i had a VERY close encounter with a Barton bus on that very bridge.
Trains usually consisted of "warflats" loaded with tanks and VDA vans if my memory serves me right

[escafeld]

Hiya Steviez, I just can't get a fix on the junction. I know we've discussed it before, but I have looked, honest ;)

[davidbird]

The spur off to the right is the spur to the Central Ordnance Depot at Chilwell. A main supply depot for the Army. It was built in 1914 as a munitions factory, the site was chosen because of availability of land, workforce and a railway. In 1918 a huge explosion killed 134 people. In 1919 the munitions factory was closed, but the site was developed as a supply depot for the Army.
The supply depot was finally closed, the rail tracks lifted and the area redeveloped in the late 80s, though the rail connection closed in early 80s. I do remember it being used, with class 25s
Map of the area, which I've used for my layout... email me if you want a high-res version...
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/9052/depotmapyf1.jpg

[escafeld]

Well done David, thanks. I think I can get it from that. Cheers.

[steviez]

Just to add to the above diatribe from me !!

Chilwell depot was still into the mid 70's at least run by R.E.M.E. and was also responsible for the records of All army vehicles.
in the 1980's it was taken over by the United States who used it to store military equipment which all came in and departed by road. I at that time lived a few hundred yards from the depot, during the miners strike it was also used as a base for the police from every county in the UK who were manning the barriers at pit entrances.
The site of the lefthand siding in Davids picture above is now the site of the new road between the A6005 (exA453) road and Tesco's supermarket

[davidbird]

I'd forgotten all about the Americans taking over. I was still at school then, it was the height of Greenham Common protests, CND, etc. and the rumours were that Chilwell was going to be a cruise missile base!... I left for university soon after that, and was in the North-east during the miners strike...
The only picture I've been able to find is this, from the road bridge (must get a Barton's Bus to put on the bridge!)
http://www.picturethepast.org.uk/cgi-bin/zoom.pl?picture=http://www.picturethepast.org.uk/jpgh/NCCS001548.jpg

Elsewhere in their catalogue is a photo of "The last lorry-load of stores leaving for COD Bicester" dated 16th July 1981, so that dates the closure of COD Chilwell, and its takover by the Americans. It was a Freightliner lorry, but by then there was no rail connection left...

[steviez]

Thanks for that David
The sidings on the second from right led to the engine shed (the brick built building)
And in the foreground was the M.O.D shunters block

Oh happy days

[davidbird]

Another site that I came across when google'd for images of chilwell depot... a few photos of the GNR, and other routes, around Nottingham & Derby...

http://tony3972.mysnaps.org.uk/

[escafeld]

Hi David, please can I take you up on that offer of the high res. Not forgotten the maps. Dave

[davidbird]

In the background of this shot, April 1977, you can just make out the crossover to the COD railway system...
http://tony3972.mysnaps.org.uk/p26115915.html

[escafeld]

Morning David. It also shows that I have the signal box on the wrong side. Thanks for that. :o

[steviez]

Dave
did you get the message i sent you on here ??

[escafeld]

OK, I've spotted it, thanks.

[davidbird]

Well, I think its finished! :) (I've said that before :rolleyes: )
Its now called Nottingham SW, from near Lenton Jcts (the A52 Clifton Boulevard bridge is just off the edge!) to just south of Ratcliffe Power Station, and to Long Eaton Station, and north to the Nottingham Road over- & under-bridges in Long Eaton (near Asda & Tescos:p )
Just need to add tracking view cameras and a splashscreen, then the DLS can have it :D
Then it'll be on to Nottingham Central...

[escafeld]

I'll race yer! :D

[zzr1100]

I've built everything down to Firsby but all I have of the Skeg branch is a couple of miles to run around the Firsby curve so it looks okay. I've built the GNR route and the Mablethorpe Loop but as I have made it out to be a Preserved Railway I decided not to encroach onto National Metals.

Strange, I was over at Firsby this morning taking some photos of the station and the curve.

[escafeld]

I don't live far from Firsby, just east of Spilsby in fact. Would be interested to see your layout some time. Dave

[zzr1100]

Double posted - sorry

[escafeld]

:confused:

[zzr1100]

Mmm, seems I'm having problems with the forum, one minute my messages are there and the next they are gone. Sorry for the double posting.

I live between Louth and Mablethorpe just off the old main line - used to live near Chesterfield.

My layout? There is a certain amount of artistic licence in parts as I have built it as it is today but with a great deal of compulsory purchase:).

I've based the shed Close to Willoughby and the mainline links to Louth but I'm sure there will be some problems when I link to the Lincolnshire Wolds railway.

I'm working on the Bardney branch as time allows but in the mean time I'm looking to replace many of the building as and when suitable replacements become available.

[escafeld]

Is it too late to do it as was? There is a lot of archive material out there http://www.leytransport.i12.com/closeb.htm that covers this area very well. The old track beds can be seen in www.local.live.com (http://www.local.live.com/) and http://www.pcs.planningportal.gov.uk/pcsportal/casesearch.asp

Dave

[zzr1100]

Not really, since I started it I have found old photos of just about every square inch of the track bed and most of it I have walked but I was so eager to get something I could start to use I thought 'oh what the hell - it's just for me'. So I built it as is.

[BLACKWATCH]

zzr1100
I'm working on the Bardney branch as time allows but in the mean time I'm looking to replace many of the building as and when suitable replacements become available.

If you go to Bardney to take photo`s, I can reccommend the ale in the Gypsy Queen ;)

[zzr1100]

Really? Funny you should mention that - just before going to Firsby I called in Spilsby at the Nelson for a pint!

Well, it's the best way to consolidate the research.:D

I will certainly try it.

[davidbird]

As we're now into Lincolnshire as well as Notts, try this
http://www.photrek.co.uk/railmapheader.htm

[davidbird]

Back in Nottinghamshire, and almost Derbyshire, I spotted this in RAIL magazine, which plopped through my door this morning
Toton goods line relaid
After many years lying out of use, Network Rail is now relaying the Down High Level goods line between Toton and Trowell Junction, Nottinghamshire. From Trowell northwards, the line continues as the Down Goods line and this is to be removed with the adjacent Up Goods line converted to bi-directional operation. There is then a picture of 60046 William Wilberforce at Trowell on March 2nd.

One thing I'm slightly confused about is the term "Down High Level Goods line". This implies there is a "Low Level" as well. Is there?

As for my Trainz layout, I'm completely unaware of the names for individual lines (eg "Down High Level Goods"). Is there anyone out there who can help me label my lines correctly?
Thanks
David

[davidbird]

Amazing what you can find when googling...

http://chriswarddiesels.fotopic.net/

a few more local pictures, and linked from that site

Chris Ward's Annesley Website
(http://bigkris21.tripod.com/)

[steviez]

To David Bird
There is a number 2 down goods line which extends from just North of the old Long Eaton station (not Sawley junction now renamed Long Eaton) through to Stanton Gate where it joins the Down Main.
The Down high level good was called so because it ran at a higher level from Ratcliffe jcn through Toton jcn (near what is now the Asda site) to Stanton gate where it becomes the down goods.
At one time the down goods had connections in sth-nth direction from Toton to Stanton Gate new sidings, Bennerley opencast site, Langley Mill sidings (for Moorgreen pit), Codnor Park sidings, Pye Hill colliery.

The reason for the singling and bi-di working is due to the re-signalling of the Erewash Valley lines in preparation for the new signalling centre being built at Derby which will control most of the old power box areas (Derby,Trent etc)
There are many other alterations to come also including the restoration of 2 line junctions at Trent jcn from Sheet stores jcn and possibly off the Erewash valley (both a constant bottleneck)

Also the 2 Down goods extended beyond Stanton Gate and Trowell jcn at least to the Frys warehouse beyond Trowell jcn at one time in the 1970's we used to store wagons on it from Stanton Gate northwards.

The up high level goods line starts at Toton jcn through to Ratcliffe jcn where it becomes the up goods line !!

[davidbird]

To David Bird
There is a number 2 down goods line which extends from just North of the old Long Eaton station (not Sawley junction now renamed Long Eaton) through to Stanton Gate where it joins the Down Main.
The Down high level good was called so because it ran at a higher level from Ratcliffe jcn through Toton jcn (near what is now the Asda site) to Stanton gate where it becomes the down goods. Didn't realise the "High Level" designation continued that far north
At one time the down goods had connections in sth-nth direction from Toton to Stanton Gate new sidings, Bennerley opencast site,remember watching - and hearing - a pair of 20s shunting vac-braked hoppers into Bennerley Langley Mill sidings (for Moorgreen pit), where an Uncle of mine worked as engine driver - the only family actually working on the railwayCodnor Park sidings, Pye Hill colliery.

The reason for the singling and bi-di working is due to the re-signalling of the Erewash Valley lines in preparation for the new signalling centre being built at Derby which will control most of the old power box areas (Derby,Trent etc)
There are many other alterations to come also including the restoration of 2 line junctions at Trent jcn from Sheet stores jcn and possibly off the Erewash valley (both a constant bottleneck) I remember the connection being a short stretch of 4-track, with ladder crossovers between all tracks. PlanningPortal track diagrams and the aerial photos of local.live show that the lines from Erewash Valley and SheetStores join into a 3-track stretch. Is my memory wrong, or has that been changed since early 80s?
Also the 2 Down goods extended beyond Stanton Gate and Trowell jcn at least to the Frys warehouse beyond Trowell jcn at one time in the 1970's we used to store wagons on it from Stanton Gate northwards.Well remember the seemingly endless line of rusting mineral wagons seen from driving over the roadbridge at Trowell on the way to visit grandparents in Ilkeston - took me a while (as a small boy) to realise why there was always a train just there, but I never saw the engine pulling it!
The up high level goods line starts at Toton jcn through to Ratcliffe jcn where it becomes the up goods line !!Many thanks Steviez, just the sort of info I was needing - now to rename most of my trackmarks!!

[steviez]

Thanks for that David
now just to cloud matters a little there is also the "independant" line at Toton which extends from Toton Old Bank sidings through to the old Toton West Yard and was bi-directional and ran to the left (Chilwell) side of the up goods, this enabled the Old Bank to be shunted independant of the up goods line and it also had one end of a huge ladder crossing which ran right across all lines towards the 2nd down goods this ladder was used by all locos off Toton Depot going south of Stapleford and Sandiacre box.
One error crept into last nights diatribe. the connection off the Erewash valley has always been 2 track its the connection from Sheet Stores jcn which is 2 track to Trent East (outside the Power box) then is 1 track connection only onto the down main, therefore a Nottingham-Derby train on the up main has to wait if there is a Derby-Nottingham train coming round from Sheet Stores. this is to be re-modelled as i stated.
It could have been me putting those wagons away at Bennerley !! incidentally the layout at Bennerley was re-modelled in the 1980's to enable direct access into the sidings without having to use a ground frame and do a "w" shaped move to get into the sidings.
We also ued to go into Langley Mill sidings which had a resident shunting person and the colliery engine usually a class 10 (08 lookalike in green livery called Jason if my memory serves me right) ) used to bring wagons down from the colliery.
Pye hill colliery and sidings was at that time (mid 70's) shunted by a class 03 (carrying a pre T.O.P.S number again in green)

Any more you would like to know ? i will try and explain

Also the above might be useful to Dave (Escafeld) lol!!

[davidbird]

Sorry, Steviez, if I'm being a bit thick, but I'm not following your comments about connections at Trent East Jct. The way I remember it is like this, 1&2 to SheetStores Jct, 3&4 to Trent Sth, 5&6 to Long Eaton Town and Toton Jct, and 7&8 to Attenbr Jct and Nottingham, and 9&10 the loop lines. (Apologies for the rough diagram!)

1_________________5````.__________.
2____\_______/____6``_______\_____10
3______\___/________/_____________7
4____/_______\____________________8
````\____________________________9

According to the aerial photos, its now like this

1____````````_____5````.__________.
2____\_______/____6``_______\_____10
3______\___/________/_____________7
4____/_______\____________________8
````\____________________________9

Was it really like the first diagram, or is my memory wrong?

I was on a train from Derby once, and we were held at the signal (in position 1 on my diagram). The driver must have been a bit slow in phoning in and the signal cleared, without its feather. We set off and were actually over the junction when the driver must have realised the route was wrong. A sudden stop, then he phoned in, though the signal was clear. We set off again, to Toton Jct, then reversed and ran via Meadow Lane Jct and Attenborough Jct to gain the main line to Nottingham.

Incidentally, Steviez, can you confirm the names of the individual lines on my diagram ( ie Up Main, Down Goods, or whatever) and also what are the lines between the Up and Down Main (is that right?) at Attenborough Junction, and the Up and Down High Level Goods (I now know that is right!)at Meadow Lane Jct? and where does Up change to Down in the triangular arrangement here and between Trent E and SheetStores?

Sorry for so many questions, but I know I can get an answer! Thanks in advance
David

[escafeld]

Really? Funny you should mention that - just before going to Firsby I called in Spilsby at the Nelson for a pint!

I live 4½ miles from Spilsby, but I've not sampled the ale.

[davidbird]

Just back from a visit down south. Unfortunately not much railway research carried out, but enough by chance to show that I've got one bridge totally wrong, missed out a signalbox and got a signal with the wrong feathers! Putting those right and trying to get a html file sorted for the info button on the splashscreen just now.
Also had contact with the group doing the ECML project. It seems as if one of that group is intending to do Newark to Nottingham - we may be meeting up! (In terms of Trainz layouts, not another journey south!)

[davidbird]

Well, Part 1 has finally been sent to the DLS...
Now waitng for Auran's approval...

[davidbird]

... and been approved!

Can be found here http://www.auran.com/TRS2004/DLS_viewasset.php?AssetID=100623 (http://www.auran.com/TRS2004/DLS_viewasset.php?AssetID=100623) it's been downloaded 76 times already!
Any feedback appreciated, and will be incorporated in a version2, to be uploaded when I've actually done Part2!

So its now on to making Part2, which will be eastwards from here, to incorporate Midland Station - and the ex-GC routes. Can't yet decide how to do those to fit in with the timescale (mid70s - early 80s) totally derelict (as they really were), disused & overgrown, or still in working order... Any suggestions?

[escafeld]

It would be interesting to see it as was rather than derelict, but then I've only got TRS2004 running at the moment.

Thanks for the credit BTW. Well done on the work you've put into it. I'm looking for a little advice on adding gradients to a DEM route. At the moment it's looking like a roller coaster ride.

Cheers, Dave

[steviez]

Well David
Congratulations on getting it onto the dls and thanks for the credit !
Only error I can see at the present time is that the dust circle at Ratcliffe never joined with the coal circle they were always 2 seperate lines. also the coal discharge point at Ratcliffe consisted of lines A+B with only 2 lines and one discharge bunker with a track either side of a tappers cabin which had mirrors on either side to view the off side of the wagons after discharge, it was possible to get 4x42 mgr trains on the arrival lines A+B,
with an x crossover between train 1 on line A and train 2 on line A.
This meant that a train arriving on line A behind the first train on line A could always be discharged on line B (this was executed from the control tower within the power station depending on which colliery the coal had come from)
I now have in my possesion numerous books detailing the lines in andaround Nottingham and the Erewash valley including all G.N. signalbox diagrams and most station plans , might i suggest if you did leave the G.C. line in over Nottingham station it would be feasible to when you do the bit south of Ratcliffe power station to link up the G.C. wth the Midland at Loughborough via the chord line at Loughborough.
Any help required give us a shout and i will see if i can help you?

Dave (Escafeld do i take your comment re DEM route to mean my pet project?)

[davidbird]

Thanks Steviez! Any chance of a diagram of the PowerStation layout (hand drawn will do!) for an update for V2?

I have no intention of going south to Loughborough! I've set myself enough of a challenge just to fill the area on the map!

I think for GC lines in Nottingham, I'll do the route as it may have appeared in 1980 if it hadn't been "Beeching butchered" - or maybe even a version 1.1 (with) and 1.2 (without)...

[Jerker]

G'day steviez,

Speaking of your 'pet project', you have related e-mail...

Jerker {:)}

[Captain_Scarlet]

Congrats for getting your layout on the DLS. It's nice to see regional layouts out and about, I'm sure Steviez and Escafeld have helped you with info as they've done with me.

Greg

[davidbird]

I'm needing your help sooner than I thought, Steviez!

What's the layout of Lenton West Junction and the Wilford Power Station lines? :confused: This is what I've got so far, taken direct from the OS 1:25000 map. I guess that by the date of the map the rail connection was partly lifted...

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/8137/wilfordpsloopfh5.jpg

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/6136/lentonwestjunctionmp9.jpg

The straight, slightly squint lines are tracks laid to the OS 1km gridlines...

[steviez]

David
sent you a private message re your request

[davidbird]

Thanks Steviez, Lenton South Jct is laid, and I'm now onto the large yards in front of the Castle. Are you able to help with the real names of the various parts of that maze of sidings?

Another couple of requests...

1) Dave Escafeld, in the previous forum we were discussing the GC viaducts over Broadmarsh and Canal Street. You posted a screenshot of a model of the Canal Street girder bridge. What was it? was it Tafwebs Girder_Bridge_2t ? I have that and it's "single-ended" ie. it has sloping girders on one end only, the other has a vertical end. Tried laying 2 halves from each end but one swaps round... Do you know another 2 track girder bridge?

2) Can anybody please let me have some reasonable photos of Nottingham Midland Station buildings exterior? I'm going to have to get into gmax and make a model of it. It doesn't need to be detailed as it's only seen from the cab of a train as it goes under Carrington Street bridge, so it'll just be simple boxes, but I'll need some photos as textures to overlay onto the sides of the boxes. If anybody can help I'd be very grateful...

[lewisner]

David, if you are modelling the GC I would think you would be using "Plate Girder Bridge" and "Angle Plate Girder Bridge" (LH and RH)? They"re both typically GCR blue brick with deep girders.

[davidbird]

Thanks, Lewisner, I have those, and I'll be re-skinning some of the MB-viaducts into the blue brick to match. The bridge I'm thinking of is this one over Canal Street
http://www.picturethepast.org.uk/cgi-bin/zoom.pl?picture=http://www.picturethepast.org.uk/jpgh/NTGM012975.jpg,

and also the bridge over the Midland Station
http://www.picturethepast.org.uk/cgi-bin/zoom.pl?picture=http://www.picturethepast.org.uk/jpgh/NTGM010248.jpg
http://www.picturethepast.org.uk/cgi-bin/zoom.pl?picture=http://www.picturethepast.org.uk/jpgh/NTGM010247.jpg

Any ideas what to use for these?
Thanks

[escafeld]

These are links to the bridge in question with the Kuid number. Glad to be of help David.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a303/escafeld01/Bridge02.jpg
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a303/escafeld01/CanalStreet.jpg

Edit: I'm not sure about the foreshortened name of the street in the second link LOL.

[lewisner]

Would THIS be any use?:cool: http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/3251/gcrviaductmg4.jpg

[davidbird]

These are links to the bridge in question with the Kuid number. Glad to be of help David.



That's the one, Dave. It doesn't have either "girder" or "bridge" in the name...


Would THIS be any use?:cool: ...

Yes that would be some use! What is it?
I see that you've got the blue brick of the "Plate Girder Bridge" in the screenshot. I've just tried re-skinning the MB_brick_viaduct into blue brick, by copying the image from the plate bridge and pasting into the viaduct. The size of the brickwork changes OK, but the colour is totally mis-matched. Any idea why?

[lewisner]

The Hog Backed bridge is "2gl-bogenbr" by Gerd - he also does a Box section bridge which (paired with this one ) would be a good match for the GCR bridge.What I"ve actually done here is use two Bogenbrs and set them to the same height then shift one over to one side, thus doubling the density of the lattice.As for the blue brick viaduct its another of my fiendish tricks...:rolleyes: ..I got several "Plate Girder Bridges" and overlapped each one on the other so that the Abutment of one "blotted out" the Girder of the next ,if you see what I mean.Doing this you can make up any length of viaduct, but you"ll probably go crazy as its finicky adjusting them but it gets easier with practice!I hardly ever use pre built bridges, as this way is much more flexible...

[Stallion]

2) Can anybody please let me have some reasonable photos of Nottingham Midland Station buildings exterior? I'm going to have to get into gmax and make a model of it. It doesn't need to be detailed as it's only seen from the cab of a train as it goes under Carrington Street bridge, so it'll just be simple boxes, but I'll need some photos as textures to overlay onto the sides of the boxes. If anybody can help I'd be very grateful...

Well, I can't promise anything, but I am going to Nottingham in the morning, albeit on a bus, so if I go near the station I'll take some photos for you. I don't know my way around Nottingham all that well, so there's a chance I might not be near the station. Not sure my wife would appreciate a long detour either :D

[escafeld]

...can anybody please let me have some reasonable photos of Nottingham Midland Station buildings exterior?

I would have a look at geograph.org.uk and do a search for grid reference SK5739

If you find a suitable image or images you can always contact the photographer and ask if he would be willing to send you a larger copy. All photos in geograph are 640 x 480

You could also 'Google' Nottingham Midland and see what that comes up with. Don't forget to click-on 'images' in the preferences at the top.

edit - Yep, there are some, I've just looked.

[davidbird]

Thanks to all!

I'll search for the bridges later, Lewisner, but they look to be exactly what we need. As for the viaduct, I'll stick with the arches, as I find the plate girder bridges to be quite heavy on memory, my fps drops when just one is in the field of view, so I don't want to think what will happen with several!

Stallion, many thanks for the offer of photos. No hurry for them as I've got to learn gmax first...

Dave E, I've tried google images, but I only get angled pictures, ie from one corner. What I really need is a series of overlapping pictures taken from the west side of Carrington St bridge... I'll check out your other reference shortly. Thanks

[lewisner]

Heres an improved version of the viaduct.I looked in CMP for "gerd" and all his bridges are under "1gl" or "2gl".The box section girder is "2gl-Vorflutbr" and as before I"ve installed 2 and moved one to the left to make a Double Lattice, which looks pretty good I think...:p http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/7549/gcrviaduct2cw1.jpg

[Stallion]

Stallion, many thanks for the offer of photos. No hurry for them as I've got to learn gmax first...

That's just as well, as I didn't get a chance to take any today! We ran out of time for a lot of things, so we are planning to go back next week (makes a change to walk/shop somewhere other than Leicester). If the weather's okay I'll take some then. We'll go earlier so we have more time! 1.5 hours on the bus each way... :rolleyes: Shame we can't easily get a train.

I've done a spot of basic modelling in gmax myself some time ago, so I'll try to get some photos along the length that are all taken square on to the walls. Large photos taken at a slight angle can always be stretched into the correct shape in a graphics program later though.

[BLACKWATCH]

1.5 hours on the bus each way... :rolleyes: Shame we can't easily get a train.

Am I missing something here :confused: Trains between Leicester & Nottingham run every hour, or there abouts.

[Stallion]

We're not actually in Leicester, but near to Coalville, hence a 1.5 hour trip on the bus through Loughborough to Nottingham. Would be quicker (but more expensive) to get the bus to Loughborough and then a train to Nottingham! It's an hour on the bus to Leicester from here too. Useless buses going all around the houses :rolleyes:

Shame there are no plans to re-open a train station in Coalville. If they did I'd campaign for David to include it in his extended Nottingham route :D

[davidbird]

I'll try to get some photos along the length that are all taken square on to the walls. Large photos taken at a slight angle can always be stretched into the correct shape in a graphics program later though.
That would be great if you could, Stallion. I'd also be looking for a "square-on" photo (or photos) from the east-facing platform side as well.......Coalville,... hence a 1.5 hour trip on the bus through Loughborough to Nottingham.
Would that be the Bartons No.11? I remember the "Coalville 11" as going along Long Lane in Attenborough, past Attenborough Station and my school...

...Shame there are no plans to re-open a train station in Coalville.Whatever happened to the Ivanhoe Line?If they did I'd campaign for David to include it in his extended Nottingham route :D

I'm not going to go any where near Coalville! I've got to put a limit on it, or the size of the project will overwhelm me before it gets started! I'm limiting myself to the routes between Ratcliffe PS, Long Eaton, Langley Mill, Hucknall, Gedling, Edwalton & Ruddington. Even that's daunting enough!

[Stallion]

I don't remember what can be seen of the station building from the platforms on the east side, but I can have a wander and take a look.

The Nottingham bus is Arriva no. 99. I haven't heard of the one you mentioned I'm afraid. This one goes through Rempstone and Ruddington along Loughborough Road.

Don't know much about the Ivanhoe Line other than hearing the name (trains are a recent interest and not a passion I must admit), but Wikipedia says that the development of the branch through Coalville out to Burton didn't go ahead, and is unlikely to in the near future. It ran Lboro to Leics only and was stopped in 2005.

I was only joking about the extension of your route, naturally! :D Looking forward to future developments though.

Martyn

[davidbird]

Wow, that was a marathon session of tracklaying... tracks disappearing under Carrington Street bridge and Midland Stn on the far right...

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/7029/sidingsdm8.png

...still got to sort out Lenton North Jct...

[davidbird]

I've also been playing with screenshots in Part 1...

http://www.toton-rail.co.uk/fullsize/58024RATCLIFFE.jpg

and my attempt

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/3880/ps1km4.jpg

[Stallion]

Good one! Looks like yours is just missing the dandelions and not much more! :cool:

As for the tracks... :eek: Looking a bit like the Toronto Rail Lands that ship with the game! Always nice when there are parking spaces for a spare consist or two. I bet you needed a few coffees (or beers) to help you through that lot!

[davidbird]

This is going back a bit, I know!...
Well I need to get a 50s/60s period map of Toton and Trent Station/junction, ...

Did you ever get a map of Trent Station?
Check out this,
http://www.geoffreykingscott.co.uk/frames.html
and the "Railway History" link. Does this seem to be any use?

[davidbird]

Slow work here, due to many things - fine weather - hills - the beach - new member of the family (4-legged, wet-nosed variety!)
Just about completed track layout for "Part 2A" (ie. as in screenshot above - between edge of "Part 1" and Carrington St Bridge/Midland Station.
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/7029/sidingsdm8.png
Anybody care to take a cdp, just to check for glaring errors and that it will run okay?

[jas4528]

Sure thing David....you can get me via my "yousendit" lite. use my email address and they will send it to me.

Looking good!

Jack:D

[steviez]

Hiya David

Send it me if you like and i will give it the once over ?

Steviez

[davidbird]

I've just uploaded a v1.1 of Part 1. This should correct the dependencies that were "missing" from the DLS. Anybody care to check for me that they are all there for this version?
Thanks
David

[jas4528]

Just checked it out. Did get some updates, but missing 5 as follows:

kuid2:116296:16109:127
kuid2:116296:16037:127

I think the version number 127 is in error. trs2004 works if the config.txt file is set to "1" vice "127". just an observation

kuid2:60850:23923:1
kuid2:60850:23922:1
kuid2:60850:23913:1

that's about it. Hope that helps. Also, it you just did it as of the post, Auran probably won't show up for a couple of days at best.

Jack:wave:

P.s. I did install in TRS2006, btw....

[davidbird]

...Also, it you just did it as of the post, Auran probably won't show up for a couple of days at best.

Jack:wave:

P.s. I did install in TRS2006, btw....

Yes, just checked, V1.1 isn't showing on DLS yet...

[davidbird]

It is now! Nottingham Part 1 SthWest V1.1 (http://www.auran.com/TRS2004/DLS_viewasset.php?AssetID=106463)

[crodgersz2005]

Hello David,

Your route is Excellent! It should be included with the next version of TRS lol.

Thanks for updating your route, it's very accurate and real joy to drive along it!

Crodgersz2005 (Chris)

[davidbird]

Thanks Chris, its comments like this that inspire me to keep going on Part 2!
Maybe when Part 2 is done, if enough people suggest it to Auran, it will be...

[crodgersz2005]

Thanks Chris, its comments like this that inspire me to keep going on Part 2!
Maybe when Part 2 is done, if enough people suggest it to Auran, it will be...

Your welcome david, :D

The only thing wrong with the route is the lack of connected resourses/indutries, like coal mines, forests etc.....

But apart from those everything is fine ;)

Do you need a beta tester to test your routes?

Chris

[davidbird]

...
The only thing wrong with the route is the lack of connected resourses/indutries, like coal mines, forests etc.....


I've included the Freightliner Terminal, Boots the Chemist factory (although they aren't all chemical industries on the layout) and the Army Supply Depot. You'll need to set these up in a session to produce and consume products.
Given the prototype location, I think I've got all the industries I can.
If I ever do a part 4, then it will have collieries...

[davidbird]

New BR Blue Class 45 available as payware, see here:http://www.totalmodeltrainz.com/pages/payware.html

Ideal for Nottingham & Nottinghamshire layouts...

[davidbird]

As they used to say in schools exams, "Compare and Contrast"...

http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=westbs8.png

and

http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshothz0.png

[davidbird]

Anybody guess what this might turn into?

http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/6220/gmaxpicturedn0.jpg

[escafeld]

Nottingham Victoria. Well done David :)

[davidbird]

Nottingham Victoria. Well done David :)

Mmmm......

[ex-railwayman]

Hi David, you couldn't give us another picture of this taken from another angle, or would that give the game away. :hehe:

Cheerz. ex-railwayman.

[davidbird]

Not wanting to give the game away, :hehe: but here's another angle on the building in question.
Of course, it's still missing 3 flagpoles and a footbridge...

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/817/gmaxpic2oo4.jpg

[kevaylett]

looking very much like nottingham midland station,
looking good for it as well. I have recent photographs of the front of the station if they would be any help when adding detail? as well as the trackwork as well I as i have started to create modern day version of nottingham.

[davidbird]

Hi Kev
Thanks for that. I'd be interested in any photos you've got of Midland Station, although I'm not making a detailed model, just a textured box. After all, it's only intended to be seen from the cab of a train being driven under the bridge into the platforms...
If you've followed this thread, you'll know I've done a layout of Nottingham, Part 1 is from the A52 overbridge, to Radcliffe Power Station, which is already on the DLS. Part 2, which I'm slowly working on, will be from the A52 bridge, including Midland Station, to near Colwick.
Mine is supposed to be an early 80s version, but I was going to do an "updated" to present day so I'd be very interested in what you've done of your "modern day version of Nottingham". It seems wasteful to duplicate effort...
What do you think?

[kevaylett]

well i'm still quite a newbie to route building and i haven't been rushing to get it done either lol partly as i have moved down to london so can't really go and visit the locations. i'll try and knock some screenies together but i'd imagine that yours would be much better. (this has been WIP for about 4months now)
you would probably be better carrying on with yours i'd say.

kev

[escafeld]

I don't know why I said Victoria and not Midland. I think I had a senior moment as I know darn well I meant Midland.

[kevaylett]

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1590/nottingham1pz2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/1268/nottingham2dd2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/4563/nottingham3in0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/7504/nottingham4yh4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/5800/nottingham5wb1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Thanks to ImageShack for Free Image Hosting (http://imageshack.us)

[ex-railwayman]

Ey up kevaylett, are you from Nottingham me duck, cos you've got this station and the surrounding area off to an absolute tee.....LOL

Cheerz. ex-railwayman.

[kevaylett]

yes matey, i lived in nottingham for about 13 years right next to mainline to sheffield. its one of my better efforts lol. anything you might suggest as extra? i know the foot bridges could do witha better version, any suggestion any one on that bit.

kev

[ex-railwayman]

Hello, you can only use the assets that are available on the DLS and on 3rd Party sites, as a non-creator myself, I don't know of any footbridges that would be any better than what you have already used mate, maybe another creator may think differently. Looking around the screenies, you seem to have everything new in it's rightful place. The canal and the new Magistrates Courts, the Inland Revenue complex and Capital One's new office block, I suppose you have the new Holiday Inn hotel next door to Capital One on the corner of London Road and Station Street?? It seems you have covered all bases, so well done on a great job, I will be very interested to see the fully textured version when you have it completed. Great work Kev....

Cheerz. ex-railwayman. :wave:

[davidbird]

My email notification of new posts seems to have stopped. This should re-activate it.
Well done Kev, not a totally accurate model, but immediately recognisable nevertheless.
What's the clocktower? Is it a seperate item?

[kevaylett]

hey david.

yeah i'd admit not the most accurate version in the world.maybe that gmax modelof he staion would be a good addition in the future. the track plans are allhopefull accurate as i had some good birds eye view shots of them the multi storey next door!!!!

[davidbird]

Here's something interesting on ebay.... (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/17-TOTON-SIGNAL-BOX-LEVER-DESCRIPTION-PLATES-no-res_W0QQitemZ250204737663QQihZ015QQcategoryZ96842Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
and here... (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Signal-Box-Lever-name-plates-name-tags-Colwick-Notts_W0QQitemZ220192143864QQihZ012QQcategoryZ9684 2QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
and anotherhere... (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Basford-North-Nottingham-Signal-Box-Track-Diagram_W0QQitemZ220192424317QQihZ012QQcategoryZ96 847QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

[lewisner]

Have you looked at the LBSCR footbridge by Kemplen? Possibly putting 2 of the flights of stairs side by side?

[escafeld]

hey david.

yeah i'd admit not the most accurate version in the world.maybe that gmax modelof he staion would be a good addition in the future. the track plans are allhopefull accurate as i had some good birds eye view shots of them the multi storey next door!!!!

For present day track plans you need to visit here: - http://www.pcs.planningportal.gov.uk/pcsportal/casesearch.asp
NOTE - Using anything but Internet Explorer and higher than version six and the grid references won't show.

Click-on 'More'
Click-on 'Select an Area'
On the map draw a box around the approximate area you are interested in, or just keep clicking with 'zoom in'.
You can zoom in down to your toenails in this mapping system.

Examples

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a303/escafeld01/online_apps_colour_GB02QAS040PLA-1.jpg
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a303/escafeld01/online_apps_colour_GB02QAS040PLA273.jpg

Dave

[davidbird]

For present day track plans you need to visit here: - http://www.pcs.planningportal.gov.uk/pcsportal/casesearch.asp
NOTE - Using anything but Internet Explorer and higher than version six and the grid references won't show.

...

Dave

Or try NOMAD, Nottingham Online Maps And Data (http://webgis.nottinghamcity.gov.uk/website/nomad/viewer.asp?modem=false&)

Same maps as Planning Portal, but a larger window. Only for Nottingham and surrounding area, same comments re IE6 and grid refs apply... also a few bits of extra info are available, such as contour lines, spot heights and so on.

[davidbird]

Have you looked at the LBSCR footbridge by Kemplen? Possibly putting 2 of the flights of stairs side by side?

Thanks, I think you were replying to Kev, but thats just what I need! Matches very well with the LBSCR platform canopies that I'm using for the Midland Station - these being the only ones I could find with a "hipped" end rather than a "gable" end.
How's this?
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/8963/lbscrfootbridgefm3.jpg

[davidbird]

Spurred to carry on with Midland Station...

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/8346/midstn2yd7.jpg

[escafeld]

That's a cracker!

[davidbird]

Thanks, Dave!

Next shots of it, it'll be in Trainz...

[davidbird]

Again, as they say, "Compare and contrast..."

http://www.toton-rail.co.uk/fullsize/47847not.jpg

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/81/47863cp4.jpg

There's still work to be done, but

[rumour3]

Looks really good so far. You might find this is of interest for plans:
http://plan4.nottinghamcity.gov.uk/WAM/pas/findCaseFile.do?appNumber=06%2F00694%2FPFUL3

R3

[Captain_Scarlet]

Hi David, that's one very nice looking Nottingham Midland station!

[davidbird]

Part 1 now has Trent PSB, thanks to nexusdj

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/9926/tpsbxaz1.jpg

[davidbird]

Another site with a few interesting pictures...

http://www.gwoodward.clara.co.uk/nottm/gt_central.htm

[escafeld]

Well done on those David

[lewisner]

Great sim of Nottingham main building Davidbird.Have you looked at TMZ06003"s recent Bridge Girder Kits for the road bridge?

[davidbird]

Great sim of Nottingham main building Davidbird.Thanks!Have you looked at TMZ06003"s recent Bridge Girder Kits for the road bridge?I was following the thread on UKTrainz forum, but not for a while. Do you have a DLS link, please?

[lewisner]

Yes its http://www.auran.com/TRS2004/DLS.php page 4 of his content.I suggest using a plate girder span then a brick wall such as Muro De Cinta on top..:cool: Sorry that link doesn't work.If you put TMZ06003 into Uername on the DLS its page 4 of his content.

[nexusdj]

Part 1 now has Trent PSB, thanks to nexusdj


It's now available to download from the Auran DLS . :)

[davidbird]

It's now available to download from the Auran DLS . :)

I've also used the equipment cabinet. As Part1 V1.2 is about to hit the DLS, will this also be there shortly?

[nexusdj]

I should be sending it up with a few other things later on today :)

[davidbird]

...Part1 V1.2 is about to hit the DLS...

Well, that was in April! Apologies for the very slow progress. I still need to rebuild Beeston station so it's interactive on both directions...

[Captain_Scarlet]

Well, that was in April! Apologies for the very slow progress. I still need to rebuild Beeston station so it's interactive on both directions...You really don't have to :o :p One thing I will do is follow your tip about the hipped canopies... Been using VFUK's ancient ones and errr... it's just not right...

[davidbird]

Well, that was in April! Apologies for the very slow progress. I still need to rebuild Beeston station so it's interactive on both directions...

That shamed me into action! All stations are now correctly set up, if used with the "Call At" command, rather than Drive To, both platforms will show as a sub-list, with a single entry in the main list.

Part 1 V1.2 is now on the DLS here (http://www.auran.com/TRS2004/DLS_viewasset.php?AssetID=125773). When uploaded there was a single non-DLS dependency, which is nexusdj's "small equipment cabinet". This is scenery-only and will not affect the route at all - if you want it go to nexusdj's Skodatrainz site (http://skodatrainz.co.uk/) - Downloads - Scenery.

Now on with Part 2... (don't hold your breath!)

[nexusdj]

The small signalling cabinet is up on the DLS now David . I held back uploading for a while because they didnt seem bothered with updating the DLS but they seem to be doing it on a daily basis now :)

[davidbird]

Apologies, Nexus, indeed it is on the DLS here. (http://www.auran.com/TRS2004/DLS_viewasset.php?AssetID=125935) I got 2 emails from Auran, the first to say that the route had been approved, the 2nd to say there was a dependency that was not on the DLS - a bit late to do anything about it! But the problem's solved anyway!

Thanks to the content creators for their hard work and wonderful items for us all to use:D

[davidbird]

I've not got TC3 (yet), but it seems as if my route won't transfer to TC3. Sent a copy of it to a friend, got this reply back...
Hello David,
I installed this onto my TC3, unfortunately, many problems.......
Lots of assets with faulty issues, the Caltex Tank has missing alpha textures not present in the working directory, the VFUK canal pack, has opaque textures the wrong size, but it won't say what size they ought to be of course.....LOL
Cannot get any of the angle plate bridges working, the track is built-in on TRS2006, so cannot get it transferred across. The Peugeot garage also has alpha and primary texture value differences along with 4 missing .bmp's and 8 missing .tga's, probably because, it is such an old asset. However, I did go into the map, but couldn't drive any trains as all the bridges are not there....LOL. The rugby ground is the wrong way round, you have it facing north-south but it should be east-west, and you've not got my favourite pub at Beeston Station, the Victoria Hotel, a very popular destination....LOL. Apart from that, it looks OK, it's such a shame that TC3 has rejected so many of the important items. If you used newer TRS2006 stuff it might be OK, but you may also need to have TC3 installed to see what there is available on that.
I can fix the Rugby Ground and the Victoria Hotel, so another update may be on the way soon.

[davidbird]

I have obtained, through ebay, a set of Working Timetables for section CK, Wellingborough to Derby and branches for 1973, both Mandatory and Conditional. Great, though its slightly before my intended period, all the trains I remembered seem to be there, with some others I never recognised!

I also have a set from 1981, Mandatory section CK Wellinborough-Derby, and Conditional section CT St Pancras-Derby. I first noticed that the MGRs to Ratcliffe-on-Soar PS were not shown. A closer examination showed that there was nothing at all on the Annesley line, and I eventually found that there were almost no trains shown that were starting and finishing within the area.
Should I still be looking for Conditional section CK, or were these trains shown in another type of timetable?

[lewisner]

It may be worth keeping your eyes on TC3, as items which previously would not show up in TC3 (such as Pikkabirds Green Class 101) are suddenly working for no apparent reason.It may be that the recent patch has cured this problem? BTW the signalling relay cabinets are known on the railways as "Locations" which is why they have "LOC" and a number painted on them.

[davidbird]

Here's my intended area by parts, I've been thinking about how to break it down and what order to do them in and this is the result.
Part 1 SouthWest......Ratcliffe-on-Soar Power Station/Lockington/Sawley/Long Eaton Town/Attenborough&Beeston Completed
Part 2 Central...........Lenton Sth Jct/Radford/Nottingham Midland Stn/Sneinton Under Construction
Part 3 West.............Toton Yards/Stanton Gate/Trowell Under Construction
Part 4 West Central...Radford Jct/Trowell
Part 5 North West.....Trowell/Ilkeston/Langley Mill/Codnor Park/Moorgreen Colliery
Part 6 North.............Radford Jct/Basford/Hucknall
Part 7 East..............Sneinton/Gedling Colliery/Burton Joyce/Cotgrave Colliery/Radcliffe
Part 8 South........... Meadows/Ruddington GC
Part 9 SouthEast......Edwalton
Part 10 Far West......Stanton Iron Works

[stovepipe]

Glad you're still working on this - it will make an interesting collection of routes. Good luck with it and I look forward to any further releases.

Using Part 1 of your route, I've tried setting up a session based on a 1968 passenger and freight timetable for Trent junction using "portal timetable rule". But with so many train movements the whole thing ground to a halt pretty quickly, and I moved on to something else.

I think Segy worked out a way of running timetabled trains on his Crewe route, but my PC was too slow to run the demo properly, so I never really worked out how he set it up.

regards
Stovepipe

[grumplstink]

:DYes fantastic job, all the old station names I remember, from the early 60's when I lived in Sherwood (off Mansfield Road) and worked on the construction of the (Ratcliffe)../Soar Power Station. Must get some of this layout ...and add some content. Regards

[adman500]

hi davidbird are you planning on doing the nottingham to lincoln route too?

[davidbird]

hi davidbird are you planning on doing the nottingham to lincoln route too?


Here's my intended area by parts,
...
Part 7 East..............Sneinton/Gedling Colliery/Burton Joyce/Cotgrave Colliery/Radcliffe
...

Only as far as Burton Joyce, but I think the DPS as part of their East Coast route for the deltic simulator are planning to include Newark-Nottingham.

Incidentally, can anybody tell me exactly where the Trent PSB area stopped and the semaphore signals along the Newark line started? What would the interface appear like - would it be a 3A MAS signal, with the Y aspect replacing the semaphore distant? How is this done?

[davidbird]

:DYes fantastic job,
...
Must get some of this layout ...and add some content. Regards

What are you wanting to add? Have I missed something major?

[grumplstink]

:D:D No..Davidbird..many apologies if I misled you. Far from it, you certainly HAVE NOT missed anything, that I'm aware of, I have been practicing building my own assets of various trains bits, locos and scripts and always on the look out for good layouts to run them in. As I said fantastic work, keep it up. Regards

[davidbird]

Found the title of this post on the homepage of Paul Robertson's Toton-Rail.co.uk (http://www.toton-rail.co.uk/index.htm) and the following caption on one of the pictures (third one down on the Class 66 pages (http://www.toton-rail.co.uk/class66.htm)).
At 2359 on Sunday 26/04/09, DBS closed both the yards on the upside at Toton, Old and New Bank. This is due to the current dire financial situation in 2009 causing even further loss of freight traffic from rail, this coupled to the loss of the majority of the coal traffic into Ratcliffe to Jarvis Fastline and Freightliner, left Toton with very little traffic. This will now be concentrated on the Down Yard on the opposite side of the main line, the the upside yards used for storage of redundant assets. Earlier on closure day, 66065 is seen stabled waiting to leave with the last train to grace the New Bank yard, the 1301 Possession train to Cricklewood.

[Warbo40]

Notice no posts have been added in a while on this subject. Hows the Nottingham area route building going Davidbird?

Asked on the UKtrainz forum site a while back if anybody could & would be able to do a model of Toton maintenance depot & was just wondering if any progress had been made in that direction?

[davidbird]

An updated version (OK, another updated version :hehe: ) of Part 1 is now on the DLS...

http://www.auran.com/TRS2004/DLS_viewasset.php?AssetID=153379

[davidbird]

Found a 1979 picture of Beeston here. (http://pics-by-john.photoblog.org.uk/p60026228.html)

Looks like I'll need to adjust the track layout to allow exit from Boots Sidings headshunt to the Down direction. Another updated version needed!