Chillicothe Sub anyone?

[Rugrat]

One of my fav lines of all time is the BNSF Chillicothe sub and i was thinking of making the line from Willow Springs yard all the way through to Galesburg yard but i have no experience with creating HOG routes so i was looking for someone that could do that. also it would be great if you could send me any pictures you have of the Chilli sub or maps, specifications, etc

thanks, Rugrat:D

[Rugrat]

sorry, forgot to mention - if anyone would be interested in working on the route in one way or another I would be happy for the help

Thanks again, Rugrat:hehe:

[Tokkyu40]

Yahoo image search pulled up about 27 pictures, many of which were expired links. But I found a few good pictures.
I looked into the DEM situation. Doing a DEM/HOG would involve 34 USGS data squares and TIGER data from 10 counties. If its even possible it would be a huge job. How long is this section?
Never the less, I did get SRTM data from Seamless Data as a single file, so I might look into making a set of low-res baseboards. I'm not very good at this kind of thing, but I might be able to whip up something.
:p Don't get your hopes up, though.

:cool: Claude

[apache62]

I havent had to much luck at makeing train yards but it would be nice to see a TRS2006 model of Galesburg's yard

[Rugrat]

I'm still trying to decide what portion of the route would be the best, right now im thinking Chillicothe to Galesburg yard so it would include Edelstein hill, but im not sure yet so i cant give a route lenght

thanks, Rugrat

[Tokkyu40]

Well, I can't figure out how to use the seamless data, but I threw together a rough blank with the regular DEMs. Galesburg and Chillicote are in 2 different regions, so I had to do it in 2 routes and merge them. They don't line up exactly, but if you're interested (and after I savagely hack away excess boards) I can let you have it.
It's huge right now, over 84MB. I need to shrink it down before I send it out.

:cool: Claude

[Rugrat]

Great, thanks for all the effort you've put in it will be a great help :D

Rugrat

[Tokkyu40]

I've uploaded the baseboard set for "Galesburg-Chillicothe" to the DLS, and it should be released in a day or two, depending on when Auran gets their equipment back on line.
If you don't have the HOG textures yet, you'll need them for the data lines. They are at this site here... http://www.fishlips.net/Trainz/Hog%20Textures/
The basic instructions and sources are here... http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.com/~wewain/trainz/Surveyor/Baseboard/Topology/TerrainGeneration/Computer-generatedTerrain.htm on the Wewain DEM/HOG tutorial.
Also search the forums for "fishlips". The question of how to install the textures to various versions seems to come up fairly frequently, and that brings up some answers.
Apache62 has already expressed an interest in the Galesburg yard, so that might be a good place to start. Finish off the baseboards of the yard itself, then save as a different name and delete the other baseboards and upload it. You'll have a finished layout then, and when you go back to the original layout, the yard will be ready to expand from.
Take your time and enjoy it. And thanks for an interesting project.

:cool: Claude

[Tokkyu40]

The Galesburg_Chillicothe DEM is now on the DLS. I hope you have fun with it.

:cool: Claude

[Rugrat]

I've uploaded the baseboard set for "Galesburg-Chillicothe" to the DLS, and it should be released in a day or two, depending on when Auran gets their equipment back on line.
If you don't have the HOG textures yet, you'll need them for the data lines. They are at this site here... http://www.fishlips.net/Trainz/Hog%20Textures/
The basic instructions and sources are here... http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.com/~wewain/trainz/Surveyor/Baseboard/Topology/TerrainGeneration/Computer-generatedTerrain.htm (http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.com/%7Ewewain/trainz/Surveyor/Baseboard/Topology/TerrainGeneration/Computer-generatedTerrain.htm) on the Wewain DEM/HOG tutorial.
Also search the forums for "fishlips". The question of how to install the textures to various versions seems to come up fairly frequently, and that brings up some answers.
Apache62 has already expressed an interest in the Galesburg yard, so that might be a good place to start. Finish off the baseboards of the yard itself, then save as a different name and delete the other baseboards and upload it. You'll have a finished layout then, and when you go back to the original layout, the yard will be ready to expand from.
Take your time and enjoy it. And thanks for an interesting project.

:cool: Claude

At first I liked the idea of just doing Galesburg for a release but as i thought about it there would have to be a lot of custom content created to make Galesburg plus i don't have a good track plan to work from, instead i thought i would work first on the other end of the line between Chillicothe and Edelstein so i could make famous locations like Edelstein hill & Houlihans curve. any shots anyone would have of that section would be greatly appreciated.

William:D

[Rugrat]

there are multiple reasons why the chilli sub will not be completely like the prototype...

1. I have never been to America.
2. The only detailed track plan (with every little piece of track) i have is Google earth between Princeville and Edelstein.
3. I don't have photos of every single place on the line.

But I'm still going to push on and put a lot of effort into it, and hopefully i will finish with something i can take pride in.

on that note I will finish with if anyone could supply me with track plans or photos it would be greatly appreciated.

p.s. for anyone who does not expect something good to come from a 15yr old boy, download my route Ironbridge flats once I get it on the DLS.

William:cool:

[Dap]

The Galesburg_Chillicothe DEM is now on the DLS. I hope you have fun with it.

:cool: Claude


Claude,

How many miles of mainline track does this baseboard represent?

Dap

[Tokkyu40]

I'm still learning to use the ruler function in Google Earth, but I measure it out as about 55 miles of mainline, plus yards and sidings.
William, don't worry too much about accuracy. There are topographic maps here: http://www.terraserverusa.com/ Those have a lot of details on track alignments and grades. For instance, in Chillicothe the mainline crosses above the line running north and south, and a spur drops down and crosses under the bridge to connect the two lines.
The resolution in the satellite pictures is rather poor in that area. Does anyone have pictures of the Chillicothe area for Rugrat?

:cool:Claude

[Rugrat]

Unfortunately my computer just crashed but we were able to get it going again but the new SATA drive that had TRS2006 and all my archives didn’t recover like a normal hard drive and created a new partition, all the files are still on it but we are unable to access them. We invested in a programme (can’t remember the name right now because I’m writing from a different computer but will get back on that one) which cost NZ$100 but we haven’t had too much luck with it.:'(


I’m happy with how the route is turning out and I did get 3 screen shots on the web so I can show what to expect… I have been using Terraserver a lot especially for Chillicothe, I was a little down when I wrote that last post and made it sound a bit worse than it really is although I will say it might not be Very up-to-date (around 97-04 period) for example I have learnt of a connection between the BNSF and UP at Edelstein build in 2005 but I have absolutely no idea of what it looks like so I’m not modelling it.

I have put a lot of time and effort into the route and am happy with how it’s turning out, although I would love more colour Arial photos

Let’s just hope I haven’t lost it…

William (Rugrat):wave:

[Rugrat]

Here are the shots i had on the net

(Just wanted to say I still haven’t decided on the sky type, it can make all the difference at times)

http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee286/Rugrat_12/?action=view&current=edelstein3.jpg

http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee286/Rugrat_12/?action=view&current=edelstein2.jpg

http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee286/Rugrat_12/?action=view&current=edelstein1.jpg


Any comments/constructive criticism welcome

William (rugrat):p

[Rugrat]

I'm still learning to use the ruler function in Google Earth, but I measure it out as about 55 miles of mainline, plus yards and sidings.
William, don't worry too much about accuracy. There are topographic maps here: http://www.terraserverusa.com/ Those have a lot of details on track alignments and grades. For instance, in Chillicothe the mainline crosses above the line running north and south, and a spur drops down and crosses under the bridge to connect the two lines.
The resolution in the satellite pictures is rather poor in that area. Does anyone have pictures of the Chillicothe area for Rugrat?

:cool:Claude

http://www.terraserverusa.com/ Has been a great help from the Arial pictures but the problem with its topographic maps is that they were last updated in 1987 and in 1987 Chillicothe was still a division point with large yard & Engine servicing facilities. When the division point was moved further to Fort Madison there was no need for such facilities so they were removed and a small 3-track interchange yard put in its place. I found that the interchange had 3 tracks using the Arial photo's which are from 1999 but the reason I would like better photos is the Arial pick’s just cannot zoom in enough for my liking.

But still http://www.terraserverusa.com/ has been a Hugh help and I thank you Claude for telling me of its existence

William;)

[Tokkyu40]

Good aerial pictures are scarce for that region. I wouldn't worry too much. I'm including yards in a modern route I'm making that haven't existed in 10 or 20 years. I like them, so they're in.
Just build it the way that makes you happiest, and every one else will enjoy it, too.
The pictures look great. I'm looking forwards to seeing what you do with the layout.

:cool: Claude

[Rugrat]

I've been thinking about including the yard, as i have a good track plan, but i dont have any pictures + it would mean abit more work. but i must say that it would be a good addition in the (hopefully) first release between Chillicothe and Edelstein + it would mean that each end of the route would have a yard. On that note i recently realised that Galesburg yard is on ex-BN track while the chilli sub is on ex-ATSF that goes right past it, so i might not even have to model it. (although i would if someone could create some custom content for it as it has alot of unique buildings).

William (rugrat):udrool:

[geophil]

For higher resolution orthophotos of US places also look at MS Virtual Earth, Yahoo Maps or Ask.com. For various areas those three provide better images than Google. Galesburg, IL is an example.

geophil

[Rugrat]

For higher resolution orthophotos of US places also look at MS Virtual Earth, Yahoo Maps or Ask.com. For various areas those three provide better images than Google. Galesburg, IL is an example.

geophil

Thanks for those sites, i've really been needing better pics:D

But one Question...

Is MS Virtual Earth a programme you have to buy\download or a website?

William:o

[geophil]

Google Maps: http://maps.google.com/
MS Virtual Earth: http://maps.live.com/
Yahoo Maps: http://maps.yahoo.com/
Ask Maps: http://maps.ask.com/

Georeferencing with a web browser only is a bit of a problem.

[Rugrat]

still waiting to get trs2006 back up and running...:'(

so i can post some better shots...

william;)

[ZAABB62]

Here is a lifesaver of a site that I have come to use alot.

http://www.flashearth.com/

Allows you to choose amongst the biggest sat imagery providers all in one easy to use page :). This has a decent resolution of Chillicothe, IL under Microsoft Local Live.

Might be just what you need.

~Zak
www.southeasterntrainz.com (http://www.southeasterntrainz.com)

[Rugrat]

Here is a lifesaver of a site that I have come to use alot.

http://www.flashearth.com/

Allows you to choose amongst the biggest sat imagery providers all in one easy to use page :). This has a decent resolution of Chillicothe, IL under Microsoft Local Live.

Might be just what you need.

~Zak
www.southeasterntrainz.com (http://www.southeasterntrainz.com)

Lifesaver 4 me 2!

[Rugrat]

would anyone know a good sustitute for this bridge?

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=196688 (http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=196688)

Thanks

William (Rugrat):wave:

[Tokkyu40]

Nifty!
It's a little tedious to sort through, but Bendorsey (210518:) has truck loads of bridges. One of them is probably a near miss.
Do a title search for Trestle_Kit. He made a number of different spline bridges, including several deck truss bridges.

:cool: Claude

[Rugrat]

NOW THIS IS WHAT I CALL HORSEPOWER !!!!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkIqVprRgew

And only on the Chillicothe sub...

William (Rugrat):cool:

[Rugrat]

After a long break due to "hard drive problems", I finally have my chilli sub back and am once again making good progress on the route. will post progress shots later...

William (rugrat):D

[dlohrmeyer]

If you want to spend a little money there is a video by Pentrex that covers the Chillicothe Sub from Willow Springs, Illinois to Fort Madison, Iowa and it was shot just before the BN and ATSF merger and its on sale for $9.95
http://www.pentrex.com/hrtland.html

[Mouse84]

Read this great thread on how to build ladder tracks for a yard.

http://forums.auran.com/trainz/showthread.php?t=8197&highlight=yards

[Rugrat]

@dlohrmeyer - I've actually already got it, has been quite a help at times...

@Mouse84 - funny story I thought of exactly the same technuique back when I was still using Trainz sp3 (I wasn't in the forums back then) and reading that was quite a laugh but it really is a good technuique to use, and i was using it for the 4-track chillicothe interchange yard just yesterday! lol:hehe:

William (Rugrat):D

p.s. still looking for a decent bridge, any suggestions?

[Rugrat]

(http://img521.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screen036jpgtc6.jpg)I'm Getting really serious about my Chillicothe sub and it has progressed alot since I last posted shots. I'm currently changing all trees to types you would see in Illinois and re-texturing the whole route to get it just right. As i live over in NZ and i have never been to Illinois let alone the states this is quite hard for me to get looking just right so when i get round to releasing it i want it to be taken seriously.


http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/4268/screen036jpgtc6.th.jpg (http://img521.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screen036jpgtc6.jpg)
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/470/screen037jpgbs0.th.jpg (http://img521.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screen037jpgbs0.jpg)
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/8866/screen038jpgaa4.th.jpg (http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screen038jpgaa4.jpg)
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/83/screen039jpgrx9.th.jpg (http://img521.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screen039jpgrx9.jpg)
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/1015/screen040jpgoq2.th.jpg (http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screen040jpgoq2.jpg)

So what do we all think? would REALLY like some feedback:D

Rugrat:wave:

[Ferrous]

WOW!! :eek: :udrool:

That's pretty good for someone who's never been to Illinois! :D

PS: Isn't it about time we move this thread to the Freeware (hopefully ;) ) Forum? Just a suggestion. :)

[Tokkyu40]

Nah, it's still a route building thread.
It looks really good. I'm glad to see that you're still having fun with it.

:cool: Claude

[vulcan]

The bridge model has been with Auran for approval for a couple of weeks, they are short staffed.

http://www.ianztrainz.com.au/chillicothe2450.jpg

I sent the model to Rugrat but haven't heard if he got it.

Ian

[Tokkyu40]

Nice bridge!:clap: I'll be watching the DLS for it.

:cool: Claude

[JCitron]

Nice bridge!:clap: I'll be watching the DLS for it.

:cool: Claude

It sure is and Ian deserves 50x:mop: for it!

John

[chrisracer8903]

That's phenominal! Is this the sub that goes through Rochelle? Anyways; well done! :) -Chris

[Rugrat]

I will post a few more pics in a couple of days (maybe) of the bridge in place

@Vulcan: look in your PM inbox

@chrisracer: yea it does go through there, but its a fair way from the section im doing

Rugrat:wave:

[Blutorse4792]

Hooray, some good ol' Illinois Trainzing :udrool:

[nstrainz]

I've already made the route but it only runs from Chicago to Galesburg.

Tyler

[Tokkyu40]

But it's not on the DLS. How did it come out?
I'm looking forward to seeing how Rugrat is doing. I wish I could make clean layouts like this.

:cool: Claude

[collinsl]

I would also be really interested in this route, I might even be prepared to pay a whole £1 for it! (Only kidding - I'm not that cheap!):hehe:

[engine49]

is this route coming out as freeway, to download or payware

[Rugrat]

I took a long break on this route but lately I've been doing some work on it, mostly trying to get it to look right with a lower polycount (which is NOT easy). I might see about posting a few screens later today to show the new look...

Payware or freeware?... hmmm... I am intending on releasing the portion i'm working on now as freeware (Galesburg IL to Chillicothe IL).

if i ever extended it (to ether Fort Madison IA or Streator IL) i would probably have to go Payware because of the time I would have to spent on it (I set my standards way too high)

@nstrainz, you seem to have bitten off more than ANYONE can chew, what are your standards?

Rugrat:)

[Rugrat]

Just went for a short drive....
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/2876/newlook1gz0.th.jpg (http://img179.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newlook1gz0.jpg)
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/2283/newlook2bv0.th.jpg (http://img260.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newlook2bv0.jpg)
that first one is the latest look for the sub, just did it after my last post.

Now for a few specs of that train...
16900 ponies spread over 22 powered axles (thanks Frank!)
120 cars - 2.4km long - 8226t
The run - max speed 120kph - max grade 1/70

and most of the run spent in notch 8!

lol thats why i chose the chillicothe sub up edelstein hill

Rugrat:udrool:

[collinsl]

:udrool::udrool::udrool::udrool::udrool:
:mop::mop::mop::mop::mop:

[Tokkyu40]

Nice trailer park.
Or Mobile Home Estate, in California.:D That dirt road looks incredible. I'm very impressed.

:cool: Claude

[engine49]

nice route, when is it coming out

[Rugrat]

No idea, i go for quality

Rugrat

[engine49]

well is it almost done

[Rugrat]

what your seeing now is just a taste, kind of like nikos's west key extension, after all I do have an education to see too...

I would compare the Section Im planning on doing to Dermmys Clovis sub, high speed heavy-haul freight with lots of double track strait track but ALOT more scenery to do, so when you think of the time it took dermmy to release that, multiply it a few times...

I try not to think about it at times...

Rugrat;)

[engine49]

so how long at most

[Rugrat]

to put it lightly... I have no Idea, so dont get your hopes up about getting it soon...

Rugrat:(

[engine49]

well, you got an estimate maybe

[Rugrat]

N O

theres still a hugh amount to be done, and i dont work at a continuos pace (plus we all get trainz burnout from time to time)

Rugrat:sleep:

[engine49]

ya, happened to me when i was iportaling

[Rugrat]

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=229664&nseq=14

what do you think of that for a local?

I was going to make a session based around an extra from chillicothe to Princeville return (complete with failed unit on fast freight and track maintenance)but with locals that big im not too sure what I had in mind would be enough!

Rugrat:hehe:

[engine49]

That doesn't look like a local, maybe a yard to yard train.

Like it is a car change, from on yard to another close by.

[Rugrat]

yea well its listed as a local and for the chilli sub thats believable

God i love the chilli sub

Rugrat:D

[engine49]

well that's a huge local, down here in texas are locals are like 10 cars long.


i went to the bergstrom siding, and saw a local of 1 car long, with a cottonbelt and unioun pacific egines, leading the way to Kyle.

[Rugrat]

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/4492/rand1ei7.th.jpg (http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rand1ei7.jpg)
beleive it or not that field in the back of the shot is actually that big!

Rugrat

[0099]

Nice, Is it computer friendly?

Anthony

[Rugrat]

Well my cards only a 256mb and it runs spotless so I would say it is...

Rugrat:wave:

[engine49]

ya, so locals down there are alomst a full heavy train, like a inifest

[Rugrat]

Tested some cameras today...
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/8323/country1kr5.th.jpg (http://img179.imageshack.us/my.php?image=country1kr5.jpg)
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/7056/country2tm3.th.jpg (http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?image=country2tm3.jpg)

Thanks to ImageShack for Free Image Hosting (http://imageshack.us)

lol you gotta love that "thanks to imageShack" stuff

Rugrat:wave:

[Ferrous]

*shakes his head* Unbelievable! :eek: :udrool: :udrool: :udrool:

[collinsl]

Those screenshots just make me want it more and more!

[engine49]

is yuor route in the final stages now rugrat

[Rugrat]

is yuor route in the final stages now rugrat

good things take time...

[collinsl]

good things take time...It really £pays£ to take your time!

[Rugrat]

It really £pays£ to take your time!

lol don't tempt me:hehe:

Rugrat:wave:

[engine49]

so you still have long ways to go

[Rugrat]

Yep:D:confused:

Rugrat:wave:

[engine49]

well do you have any new screenshots of the route, or even videos maybe

[Ferrous]

well do you have any new screenshots of the route, or even videos maybe

If he took the time to do that, then that would be taking time away from finishing the route... ;)

[engine49]

your right.:cool:

[Barchifowski]

This is going to be so SWEET!!!! Finally, a good Chicago land route!!!!!!!! Bout time. I am kind of getting sick of running CSX/NS constantly.

[engine49]

what routes do you have for csx and ns, barchifowski.


anygood ones i might download

[Rugrat]

I've already made the route but it only runs from Chicago to Galesburg.

Tyler
liar.............................................. .................................:hehe:

[Barchifowski]

How far is the route in progress? Like what towns are completed so far?

[Blutorse4792]

I haven't been watching this thread recently. Forgive my asking, but which lines are to be included in this route? I'm a ways up north from the Chillicothe sub, and I'm curious what else is going to be included? Interchanges, etc.

- Kyle :wave:

[engine49]

ya how many yards are there, in this sub

[Rugrat]

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/4504/overpassaa3.th.jpg (http://img370.imageshack.us/my.php?image=overpassaa3.jpg)
Passing over the UP Peoria Sub

Rugrat:cool:

[Tokkyu40]

And there is dancing in the aisles!!:clap:

:cool: Claude

And please don't pick on Tyler. I'm sure he's doing his best with his project. We're all in this forum together, after all.

[Rugrat]

I love this scene!

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/7179/overbridgemz1.th.jpg (http://img246.imageshack.us/my.php?image=overbridgemz1.jpg)

Rugrat:cool:

@Tokkyu40, I admit the 'liar' comment was a bit harsh but the rest of what i said was just out of interest...

[Barchifowski]

This is looking so sweet!!!!!!

[Tokkyu40]

Wow! That's such a great bridge scene. You're really bringing it to life.

:cool: Claude

[Rugrat]

For once I'm not getting Trainz burnout and the darn computer with TRS2006 on it decides to Die! anyway progress has come to a complete halt so don't expect some more screens for a while....


and thanks to everyone for their comments:D

(might get a bit of sleep now though lol)

Rugrat:sleep:

[Ferrous]

For once I'm not getting Trainz burnout and the darn computer with TRS2006 on it decides to Die! anyway progress has come to a complete halt so don't expect some more screens for a while....


and thanks to everyone for their comments:D

(might get a bit of sleep now though lol)

Rugrat:sleep:

Heh, not the best of news, but hey! Once you're back in operation, you'll have twice the motivation to get back to work on the sub! :p

[Rugrat]

I dont usually do this but here goes...

A WIP SHOT! http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/2747/wipha9.th.jpg (http://img70.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wipha9.jpg)

the reason i am posting this is i want some opinions... this is a pic of Princeville IL, one of my wip areas right now, and i wanted to know what you all thought of this shot as i am trying to get a good FPS/draw distance combination.

Rugrat:cool:

(as you can see i got my pc back!)

[collinsl]

Looks good to me!

[Ferrous]

I agree! What're your FPS like? :udrool: :udrool: :udrool:

[Blutorse4792]

It looks fantastic, Rugrat :D

It actually has the feel of Illinois to it.

[Barchifowski]

Keep it up dude! This route is amazing!!! Just curious, when you model Joliet, are you giong to model some of the EJ&E and IAIS? If so, might I ask how much, or is that undetermined yet?

[Blutorse4792]

Isn't there some BRC on here at one point? I'm a bit too far East :p

[Rugrat]

@Barchifowski, Blutorse

The section of the chilli sub I am doing is between Galesburg and Chillicothe - about 55 miles. if i was to make the whole route it would take years and end up with a product that would probably crash your computer. so Joliet and the BRC (just out of chicago) will not be included in this route.

Rugrat:)

[apache62]

well for me being raised in galesburg i would like to see a TRS2006 version of there yard

[engine49]

got a realse date.

[Ferrous]

got a realse date.


Soon (TM). :hehe:

But seriously, when he's done he'll tell us. You can't rush fine routebuilding or it gets sloppy. :wave:

[Rugrat]

You can't rush fine routebuilding or it gets sloppy.
That plus an education to tend too.... I have no idea for a release date right now, but its still a far way off. Remember im modeling wide open plains, not small areas like gorges etc, so it takes quite a bit of time to make this kind of scenery. I'm even making all the fields the same shape&size of the prototype!

@apache62 - for once I can do this request, as Galesburg is on the map:D

Rugrat:cool:

[coalguage]

Rugrat your route looks good.

[engine49]

you got any updated screenshots of your route

[Isaacg]

Rugrat, for a New Zealander Trainzer, I must congratulate you on your route building of Illinois. I myself have been there, yet I hardly remember it. My mother's a New Zealander, but she's gained US civi-ship :P... Great job though, especially someone who hasnt been here before, I think pictures help a great deal though. Can't wait to run some TTX and double stacked BNSF trains around here. Amtrak will have a run for its money as well :)

Isaac

[0099]

Just to clear things up the route was lost ( Said so in another thread )


Anthony:)

[Rugrat]

Rugrat, for a New Zealander Trainzer, I must congratulate you on your route building of Illinois. I myself have been there, yet I hardly remember it. My mother's a New Zealander, but she's gained US civi-ship :P... Great job though, especially someone who hasnt been here before, I think pictures help a great deal though. Can't wait to run some TTX and double stacked BNSF trains around here. Amtrak will have a run for its money as well :)

Isaac
you don't know how much reading that kills me..... but thanks anyway:)

Rugrat:(

[Isaacg]

you don't know how much reading that kills me..... but thanks anyway:)

Rugrat:(

Do you mean that you'd rather have me type smaller posts? I can if thats what you want, I don't know if I offended you or anything though. I hat reading to :)

Isaac

[Isaacg]

Just to clear things up the route was lost ( Said so in another thread )


Anthony:)

Oh dear! Thanks Anthony for informing me. I've downloaded the DEM, I'll see what I can do just for fun.

Isaac

[Rugrat]

Do you mean that you'd rather have me type smaller posts? I can if thats what you want, I don't know if I offended you or anything though. I hat reading to :)

no its just the circumstances